Do You Renounce the Boy Scouts and All Their Evil Works? The Southern Baptists Do

[RED-85-Z51]

Originally Posted by 454_71Stingray

I dont disagree. But Baptists are a Christian group, God is not exclusively theirs. Ask a Jew.

Didnt the Jews Kill Jesus? Do they even get a say, after that?

[RED-85-Z51]

fwiw, i hope the churches pull support, and i hope the BSA falters and begins an even tighter spiral into obsoletion...if they want to support gays, thats just where they need to go...away. They will learn not to bite the hand that feeds them...

The BSA has existed for many many years without gays, and would continue to exist...their moral message is clear and always has been...but now, pressure from gay groups has them trying to please everyone, and on this subject, that cannot happen.

[Broken Wind]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Didnt the Jews Kill Jesus?

no

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I was in a Red Lobster a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and overheard the churchies behind me railing about gay people going to hell while shoveling shrimp down their pie hole.

Sams Clubs sells the cheese biscuits. Damn good


Also BSA has been flooded with gays since it began. Just another closet thing

[OddBall]

Well, dammit. That leaves the door open for the Catholics to support the Boy Scouts. And we all know where that's going.

[Craig]

I guess the best I could say to all of this is: go find a non- denominational Bible church, with a preacher who has a Theological doctorate from a respected seminary; there are reasonable and understandable answers to all of the misconceptions talked about here. You're not going to learn it from the Internet, or the radio, or the tv or the news, or a car forum. Spend some time in a good church to learn about the Bible, you're not going to get it anywhere else. Then make your choice.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by OddBall

Well, dammit. That leaves the door open for the Catholics to support the Boy Scouts. And we all know where that's going.

Since I am and was part of both of those organizations, I'll say nope.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TxAg

You'll find ANYTHING to support your bigotry against Christian. ANYTHING.

We know your MO.

Like I said, hate on hater.

Almost seems like the makings of Commodores lyrics.

Commodores Sail on 1979 (full version) Top of The Pops August 30th 1979 - YouTube

[Doug28450]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I'll address the whole article below, but I wanted to put a note here to show just how god awful stupid the above comment is. And the only way you could believe that is if you believe god is a complete asshole.



You do realize that if you believe this, then there is no justification for all the bullshit Christians push on homosexuals, correct? The coming of Jesus cancelled out all the old stuff.

Jesus NEVER mentioned it once. For you all to shit yourselves over such a critical issue to god, don't you think he would have at least broached the subject?

But I digress. Go back and keep picking/choosing which parts to believe in.

Keep reading.....

Apologetics Press - ?Jesus Didn?t Condemn Homosexuality?

“Jesus Didn’t Condemn Homosexuality”

by Kyle Butt, M.A.

By and large, the American culture is aggressively promoting the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality. In the midst of such pressure, many people who call themselves Christians are caving in and accepting this perverted lifestyle in spite of God’s clear teachings against it (Butt, 2003). Just recently, the country singer Carrie Underwood stated that her Christian faith lead her to support gay marriage (Nilles, 2012). In truth, the life and teachings of Jesus Christ could never be accurately understood to lead a person to conclude that homosexual marriage is moral (Miller and Harrub, 2004).

One of the most common arguments made in support of homosexuality is that Jesus Christ did not explicitly condemn the practice. Supposedly, since Jesus never stated specifically: “Homosexuality is a sin,” then His failure to denounce the lifestyle can be interpreted to mean that He approved of it. This reasoning is riddled with error.

First, Jesus explained to His followers that He did not have time to teach them everything they needed to know. He told them that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance all that He had taught, and would include additional teaching that He had not had time to cover. He told His disciples: “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth has come, He will guide you into all truth” (John 16:12-13). When we look to the inspired writings of the New Testament, we see the authors boldly and specifically condemning the practice based on the revelation they received from the Holy Spirit (Miller and Harrub, 2004). Thus, it is wrong to suggest that only the “words in red” are Jesus’ teachings. On the contrary, He foretold that more teaching would be done after His return to heaven due to the fact that the apostles “could not bear” all of it at the time.

Second, even if Jesus did not explicitly condemn the practice (though He actually did, as will be noted later), that certainly could not be used as evidence that He condoned the practice. For instance, where does Jesus explicitly state that bestiality is wrong? Where in the New Testament does Jesus state that polygamy is wrong? Where are the “words in red” that specifically condemn pedophilia? Are we to suppose that the Son of God condoned using crystal meth because there is not an explicit statement from Jesus’ mouth that says “do not smoke crystal meth?” The idea that silence from Jesus on a subject means He approved of or condoned the practice cannot be substantiated.

Finally, it must be considered that Jesus did, in fact, speak against homosexuality. On numerous occasions, Jesus condemned the sins of adultery (Matthew 19:18), sexual immorality (Matthew 19:9) and fornication (Matthew 15:19). These terms describe any type of sexual intercourse that is not within the confines of a marriage ordained by God. Jesus then proceeded to define exactly what God views as a morally permissible marriage. He stated:

Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh”? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate (Matthew 19:4-6).

By defining marriage as between one male and one female, Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements, including but not limited to one man and two women, one woman and two men, three men and one woman, three men and three women, one man and one man, one woman and one animal, etc. You can see the overwhelming logic of such. For Jesus to have to explicitly condemn every assortment of genders and numbers would be absurd. When He defined marriage between one man and one woman, He clearly showed that such an arrangement is the only one authorized by God.

Several years ago a man named Cory Moore “legally married his 2004 Cherry ES-335” Gibson guitar (“Man Marries Guitar,” 2007). He said: “The day I got her, I just knew she was the one…. I know it seems weird, but I really love her—like, really love her, with all my heart. I just wanted to make it official” (2007). Are we to conclude that because Jesus never specifically condemned a man marrying his guitar then the Son of God approved of such? To ask is to answer. In 2006, 41-year-old Sharon Tendler married a dolphin (“Woman Marries Dolphin,” 2006). Jesus never said one word explicitly about refraining from marrying a dolphin. Does that mean His “silence” should be viewed as approval? Not in any way.

Homosexuality is a sin. It always has been, and it always will be. The inspired New Testament writers repeatedly teach that to be the case. Jesus explained that the Holy Spirit would bring to the inspired writers information that they could not handle at the time of His departing. In addition, Jesus did explicitly define marriage as being between one man and one woman. The ruse to suggest that Jesus approves of homosexuality because He never expressly condemned it cannot be sustained logically, nor can it be defended on any type of moral grounds. The person who presumes to claim to be a Christian, and yet supports homosexuality, misunderstands the teachings of Christ and needs to repent and stop approving of a perverted, destructive practice that Jesus condemns (Matthew 19:1-9).

REFERENCES

Butt, Kyle (2003), “Homosexuality—Sin, or Cultural Bad Habit?” Apologetics Press, Apologetics Press - Homosexuality?Sin, or a Cultural Bad Habit?.

“Man Marries Guitar” (2007), man marries guitar : Mess+Noise.

Miller, Dave and Brad Harrub (2004), “An Investigation of the Biblical Evidence Against Homosexuality,” Apologetics Press, Apologetics Press - An Investigation of the Biblical Evidence Against Homosexuality.

Nilles, Billy (2012), “Carrie Underwood Reveals She Supports Gay Marriage,” Carrie Underwood Supports Gay Marriage - Hollywood Life.

“Woman Marries Dolphin” (2006), Woman marries dolphin - World - theage.com.au.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Doug28450

By defining marriage as between one male and one female, Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements.

That's a real stretch.

You have the whole of the new testament, hundreds of thousands of words, and this is the best argument you can come up with.

Here is my retort -

Greed, Homosexuality, and Christianity - YouTube

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Just another of the millions of examples of picking and choosing the parts of the bible one wants to believe in.

Yeah, You're Goddamn straight I pick and choose.

I choose the whole God is love part.
Not the killing folks for some infraction on my honor/morals/beliefs/nookie-on-the-side, parts.

Wish the ragheads would make the same choices.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by OddBall

Yeah, You're Goddamn straight I pick and choose.

I choose the whole God is love part.
Not the killing folks for some infraction on my honor/morals/beliefs/nookie-on-the-side, parts.

Wish the ragheads would make the same choices.

I wish the atheists would consider it from that perspective as well (obviously they're not out to kill anyone).

[Doug28450]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Folks don't feed the Christian hater. Seriously he is not going to change/stop being that way so why even bother responding anymore?

You're right Chris, I apologize for wasting the bandwidth.

[Doug28450]

Originally Posted by TxAg

On the positive side, the posts counts and barn bucks do increase.

There is something to be said for that.

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

...Also BSA has been flooded with gays since it began. Just another closet thing

I always had suspicions/worries about that but nobody ever tried crawling into my sleeping bag or kissing me or anything of the sort.

[Vette40th]

Society as a whole is morally deficient if they are saying they are Christians, Jews, Muslims. So many dont follow scripture, faith etc.

[Yadkin]

Holy ten year thread, Batman.

[Vette40th]

Damn, how the hell did that happen

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by Vette40th

Damn, how the hell did that happen

Idalia?

[Bill]

I just chalked it up to all those pagan worshipers at Burning Man actually conjuring something, resurrecting this dead thread.