I try to tell people how the Fed gov't works, but nobody listens

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Blah, blah, blah - if I told you the gov't functions I and my staff did over a 30 year career you'd call me a liar. Here's a teaser, I was helo'ed out to an aircraft carrier at sea once and catapulted off the end as a GS-12 and worked in a steamy aircraft hangar rebuilding Navy fighters for 12 hours a day for years as a gov't blue collar worker.

You ever crawled over an armed ejection seat troubleshooting F-14 avionics equipment ? Nah - didn't think so...

All these whiny bitches that know nothing about gov't service want to bypass instantiated protections for Federal employees....while screaming at the sky about lawfare against Trump...and most don't see the comical irony of it.

Oh jeez…

[Over140mph]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Oh jeez…

Dude, I stayed at a Holiday Inn last nite

[Frankie the Fink]

The point is that there are codified special protections for Federal employees, the good ones and the bad ones, and Trump nor Musk nor anyone here can gainsay that...

And the reason for those protections is to prevent exactly what is happening now. The persecution of an entire public service workforce based on a perceived stereotype or to make political 'hay'.

Its a fact of life so cry it out...or change it.

And bear in mind that I'll bet I'm the only person on here that has removed civil servants from their positions, the right way.

I think this topic has run its course so I'll bow out now..

[Vette40th]

Everything happening is legal. There is a lot of fraud being found out, and that fraud is being dealt with. If the agency you work for is part of that, then you are going to feel that pain..The American people are done with fraud , WASTE, and abuse within the Federal government.
No one cried when Bush, Clinton, Obama and Joe fired people. No one.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

The point is that there are codified special protections for Federal employees, the good ones and the bad ones, and Trump nor Musk nor anyone here can gainsay that...

And the reason for those protections is to prevent exactly what is happening now. The persecution of an entire public service workforce based on a perceived stereotype or to make political 'hay'.

Its a fact of life so cry it out...or change it.

And bear in mind that I'll bet I'm the only person on here that has removed civil servants from their positions, the right way.

I think this topic has run its course so I'll bow out now..

And what you fail to understand is that is the problem.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

The point is that there are codified special protections for Federal employees, the good ones and the bad ones, and Trump nor Musk nor anyone here can gainsay that...

And the reason for those protections is to prevent exactly what is happening now. The persecution of an entire public service workforce based on a perceived stereotype or to make political 'hay'.

Its a fact of life so cry it out...or change it.

And bear in mind that I'll bet I'm the only person on here that has removed civil servants from their positions, the right way.

I think this topic has run its course so I'll bow out now..

This is the problem with the govt worker’s mentality.

Private industry lays off good people every day. It’s called being part of the real world.

When a company loses money and finds inefficiencies or theft, they have to shift. There is nothing more full of inefficiencies and theft than our govt. Instead of fixing this like a private company our govt has just decided to raise taxes and print more money…giving away millions for fake, non existent studies about transgender mice.

Anyone who defends that approach has their head screwed on crooked.

[Over140mph]

On the Holiday Inn note related to fed employees, there should NOT be a protected class. This is the start of the many problems, one of which is, ENDLESS SPENDING.

[Aerovette]

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[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

How the lawyers Trump has at his disposal didn't pull him aside and explain the legal ramifications is beyond me. Granted, I love what Trump and Musk are doing, but wish they'd slow down and do it more methodically and "the right way" so things aren't slowed down even further with red tape, bureaucracy, and legal actions which could cost more in the long run.

Be careful... saying things like that isn't allowed here.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

When a company loses money and finds inefficiencies or theft, they have to shift.

Anyone who defends that approach has their head screwed on crooked.

Sure. A shift is needed, 100%.

And what would you say if that struggling company decided to arbitrarily fire people starting at the bottom based on a single email instead of looking at the actual root cause and the systemic issues that actually caused the losses?

Timmy sitting on his phone instead of sweeping the floors isn't the reason the company is losing money.

If you have 25 employees and 20 of them are lazy piles of ass, do you think the problem is the employees? No. It's not. It's the system that allows it. Firing a bunch of low level nobodies and claiming victory is stupid. Fix the system, not the symptom.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Sure. A shift is needed, 100%.

And what would you say if that struggling company decided to arbitrarily fire people starting at the bottom based on a single email instead of looking at the actual root cause and the systemic issues that actually caused the losses?

Timmy sitting on his phone instead of sweeping the floors isn't the reason the company is losing money.

If you have 25 employees and 20 of them are lazy piles of ass, do you think the problem is the employees? No. It's not. It's the system that allows it. Firing a bunch of low level nobodies and claiming victory is stupid. Fix the system, not the symptom.

You’re not looking macro enough. It’s not about the guy sweeping the floor, it’s his entire department. USAID is the perfect example of your analogy. The entire system is corrupt so the only way to fix it is gut the entire thing and eliminate the problem.

[GTOguy]

I worked in a government agency (state) for 25 years. For the first 5 to 10 years of my career, we were light on chiefs and heavy on Indians. We got a LOT of work done. Then, HR started to grow. Computers started to show up on every desk. Fiefdoms were being built for 'diversity awareness training'. For 'specialized enforcement', for 'consumer assistance', etc. Our enforcement was being interrupted by 'required training' invented by these fiefdoms to justify their existence, and expansion. 20 years in, there were MANY more chiefs than Indians, and pretty much nothing was getting done. We were a huge, bloated organization that was no longer helpful to the public. We had two training centers built, in the tens of millions of dollars. Both were completely unnecessary.

By the time I left 5 years later, it was pathetic. 100s of hours annually for diversity training. Sexual orientation training, you name it. Everything EXCEPT helping the automotive consumer and keeping in the game technically.

I turned in my retirement papers while attending a Zoom meeting listening to our new director, a 35 year-old female Nigerian immigrant, tell us that the main problem with our outfit was racism and lack of diversity. (She was a DEI hire, as all of our top executives were---black or Hispanic women, mostly lesbian)

Today, my old department is basically 100% ineffective and useless. And bigger than ever.

I think the 'government' Frank is talking about disappeared 20 years ago. It's so wasteful and bloated now, and needs to be to continue growing. Like all cancers, it needs to be cut back aggressively.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

You’re not looking macro enough. It’s not about the guy sweeping the floor, it’s his entire department. USAID is the perfect example of your analogy. The entire system is corrupt so the only way to fix it is gut the entire thing and eliminate the problem.

And you're still not looking at who created the department in the first place or why the department is the problem to begin with.

Fire all 20 people sweeping the floor. It's not saving the company. Starting at the bottom isn't the answer.

USAID is a shit show. No argument on that. That is a specific and targeted avenue of waste. Great. That's very different than Elon standing on stage with a chainsaw threatening to fire a bunch of low level nobodies because they don't respond to an email correctly. The actual good is being masked by the half-assery that surrounds it.

[Over140mph]

Originally Posted by LATB

"Due process"

[KenHorse]

Since when are probationary hires entitled to due process?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

For the first 5 to 10 years of my career, we were light on chiefs and heavy on Indians. We got a LOT of work done.

...


20 years in, there were MANY more chiefs than Indians, and pretty much nothing was getting done.

...

By the time I left 5 years later, it was pathetic. 100s of hours annually for diversity training. Sexual orientation training, you name it. Everything EXCEPT helping the automotive consumer and keeping in the game technically.

This is the point I am trying to make, 100%.

The problem isn't the Indians.

The problem is the system itself. It's broken as a whole. Firing a bunch of nobodies at the lower levels because they didn't respond appropriately to an email does nothing whatsoever to address the systemic issues that are the actual problem.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Sure. A shift is needed, 100%.

And what would you say if that struggling company decided to arbitrarily fire people starting at the bottom based on a single email instead of looking at the actual root cause and the systemic issues that actually caused the losses?

Timmy sitting on his phone instead of sweeping the floors isn't the reason the company is losing money.

If you have 25 employees and 20 of them are lazy piles of ass, do you think the problem is the employees? No. It's not. It's the system that allows it. Firing a bunch of low level nobodies and claiming victory is stupid. Fix the system, not the symptom.

I'll offer my feedback.

If the company's survival is based on firing 5 people at the bottom and there are 10 people at the bottom, then the 5 that answered the email would stay and the other 5 would go.

Timmy sitting on his phone instead of working IS the reason the company is losing money. Bad behavior is 1000 times more contagious than good behavior and the workers marginally performing have most likely witnessed Timmy on his phone and remaining employed. That send a message that mediocrity will get you a check so don't kill yourself.

Yes, the 20 employees are the problem. I don't come to work and wait to be told what to do. I know what I need to do. I work self-managed and earn my check. Every employee should understand their role and perform whether the boss is there, or pushing them, or burying them in work. If you lack work ethic, it's on YOU, not the company.

Firing low level nobodies is exactly what needs to be done. The company is only at fault for hiring them in the first place.

I have told more than one employee that their interview GOT them the job. Their performance will determine whether they keep it or not.

I've also told terminated employees " I didn't fire you. You fired yourself. I'm just doing the paperwork".

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

If the company's survival is based on firing 5 people at the bottom ...

Think bigger.

If the survival is based on on firing 5 people at the bottom, the problem is not the bottom. Firing those 5 people is a Band-Aid at best.

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Yes, the 20 employees are the problem. I don't come to work and wait to be told what to do. I know what I need to do. I work self-managed and earn my check. Every employee should understand their role and perform whether the boss is there, or pushing them, or burying them in work. If you lack work ethic, it's on YOU, not the company.

I've worked for a few different companies. I've also worked for myself. I've managed many many people over the years. In my current role, I am absolutely willing to give the effort. In my last role, I absolutely showed up to get the paycheck. The difference isn't me. The difference is the company itself. The last place thought that "burying them in work" while paying as little as possible was a valid approach. What motivation do I have to bust my ass when all it's going to do is get me an even bigger pile of shit?

If you really think that the motivation of employees to work doesn't revolve around the company itself, every bit as much as the individuals, you are absolutely wrong.

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I've also told terminated employees " I didn't fire you. You fired yourself. I'm just doing the paperwork".

And if you have fired multiple employees who started out well but went to shit, maybe you should also ask why that happened. What made them change? Did they always lack effort, or did something drive the change? If your approach is that "burying them in work" is a valid approach to management, you did them a favor.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Think bigger.

If the survival is based on on firing 5 people at the bottom, the problem is not the bottom. Firing those 5 people is a Band-Aid at best.



I've worked for a few different companies. I've also worked for myself. I've managed many many people over the years. In my current role, I am absolutely willing to give the effort. In my last role, I absolutely showed up to get the paycheck. The difference isn't me. The difference is the company itself. The last place thought that "burying them in work" while paying as little as possible was a valid approach. What motivation do I have to bust my ass when all it's going to do is get me an even bigger pile of shit?

If you really think that the motivation of employees to work doesn't revolve around the company itself, every bit as much as the individuals, you are absolutely wrong.



And if you have fired multiple employees who started out well but went to shit, maybe you should also ask why that happened. What made them change? Did they always lack effort, or did something drive the change? If your approach is that "burying them in work" is a valid approach to management, you did them a favor.

People at the bottom are hired for two reasons. To stay at the bottom and do bottom work or to advance and replace someone higher up that needs to go. If they were hired to advance but can't get their shit together, bye bye. The bottom is easy to fill. Next !

The job you show up to just get a check for, could be a "pig in slop" job for someone else that WANTS that level of work. pressure, whatever. You should quit and allow someone that wants the job to have it. It doesn't mean the job sucks, it means it sucks for YOU. You are not a good fit. Someone else might be.

Like I said before, demotivation comes from letting the floor mopper play on his phone. HE is the guy that is in the way of someone that would mop the floor with enthusiasm and be happy they had the job. He is collecting a check and demotivating others that see it. Not the company.

People I got rid of for the most part interviewed very well. Sold a bill of goods, and then found every reason not to perform. Car broke down, dog threw up, kid is sick, house broken into, on and on. This one girl had a new excuse twice a week and when OTHER workers started picking up that habit, I got rid of her and magically the rest got back to normal. A bad worker is a virus.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

And you're still not looking at who created the department in the first place or why the department is the problem to begin with.

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Those were the people that just got voted out in Nov.

People want Trump to drain that swamp…Elon is the tool to make that happen.