I try to tell people how the Fed gov't works, but nobody listens

[Frankie the Fink]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jud...red-6-agencies

Probationary employees illegitimately fired can get their jobs back, 1,000s at 6 agencies.

I'm in favor of eliminating waste but Civil Service isn't Twitter or Trump Tower staff jobs. There is a right way to go about it and the Trump/Musk paradigm didn't do it correctly.

I just hope this misstep doesn't result in a class action law suit with big payouts... Good grief.

[Vandelay Industries]

The actual problem is that there are activist judges who think they can usurp the authority of the executive branch.

[Frankie the Fink]

You didn’t read the opinion in this case I see. But in most others I agree.

[Aerovette]

Sorry, but I don't at all subscribe to "That's the way it's always been done" as a defense.

The way it's been done got us where we are. It is widely believed and probably as widely known, that government workers function on the basis that they cannot be fired and therefore suck at everything they do.

Have a doubt? Go to the DMV, Call the IRS, go to the Post Office, attend a City Council meeting, etc. Whether it is at the community or the Federal level, incompetence and sloth rule.

Since when do "probationary" employees have any guarantee of employment?

Fkm all. Trump will win this one.

[TheHammer]

Let'em sue, I hope it takes years and drains their pockets.

[LATB]

Sorry, but I don't at all subscribe to "That's the way it's always been done" as a defense.

This ^^^
Just because it was a certain way while Frankie was a fed gov employee doesn’t mean that is how it should be or will continue to be.

**** these fed gov workers. I’m sure the country would be just fine if half of them were shown the door.

[Aerovette]

Example:

Every state has a Department of Education, so why do we need one at the Federal level?

Shut it down. One of the two is not needed.

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Sorry, but I don't at all subscribe to "That's the way it's always been done" as a defense.

The way it's been done got us where we are. It is widely believed and probably as widely known, that government workers function on the basis that they cannot be fired and therefore suck at everything they do.

Have a doubt? Go to the DMV, Call the IRS, go to the Post Office, attend a City Council meeting, etc. Whether it is at the community or the Federal level, incompetence and sloth rule.

Since when do "probationary" employees have any guarantee of employment?

Fkm all. Trump will win this one.

Just like the Constitution though if you don't like the rules, change them...and for the umpteenth hundred time gov't workers can absolutely be fired, I've fired, dismissed, downgraded or re-assigned several dozen myself.

The opinion was not that probationary employees are not 'fire-able'; it has to be done by the cognizant authority and within the process....

More 'myths' from cyberspace...

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by LATB

This ^^^
Just because it was a certain way while Frankie was a fed gov employee doesn’t mean that is how it should be or will continue to be.

**** these fed gov workers. I’m sure the country would be just fine if half of them were shown the door.

Its STILL that way Skippy, you don't get to break the rules because we have a new President - sooo hard to understand. Change the rules and then Trump can fire all he wants...

I predicted he would step on his dick with this one when this all started and now its happened. I wish he had shit-canned all the no-loads in a manner that would stick...

[donuts]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Example:

Every state has a Department of Education, so why do we need one at the Federal level?

Shut it down. One of the two is not needed.

Who else will feed the big unions and fund the drag queen story hour at your local university.

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

You didn’t read the opinion in this case I see. But in most others I agree.

You agree in other cases but not this one.

Because Elon.

[Swany00]

mistakes are going to happen, big ****ing deal. At least this administration admits when things go wrong, unlike the last one lying about the border, the economy and everything else they ****ing paid off

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Its STILL that way Skippy, you don't get to break the rules because we have a new President - sooo hard to understand. Change the rules and then Trump can fire all he wants...

I predicted he would step on his dick with this one when this all started and now its happened. I wish he had shit-canned all the no-loads in a manner that would stick...

You should have voted for Harris.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Just like the Constitution though if you don't like the rules, change them...and for the umpteenth hundred time gov't workers can absolutely be fired, I've fired, dismissed, downgraded or re-assigned several dozen myself.

The opinion was not that probationary employees are not 'fire-able'; it has to be done by the cognizant authority and within the process....

More 'myths' from cyberspace...

When I worked for a state government the first 6 months were a probational period- they could fire me for any reason. Why is this different?

[Vette40th]

Government is too big. Many of the agencys provide ZILCH. ATF, Dept Of Ed, POST Office ( can be privatized), Amtrack, EPA? ( some bright spots in there), BLM ( Land Management can be run by states), FEMA ( failed too many times). Never ending entitlement minded over protected people.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

You didn’t read the opinion in this case I see. But in most others I agree.

I read the opinion and I think it will soon be overturned. He's a known activist, who has been a federal district judge for over 50 years. He has an agenda and he has absolutely no authority to demand reinstatement of these at-will employees.

[Chemtrails99]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Its STILL that way Skippy, you don't get to break the rules because we have a new President - sooo hard to understand. Change the rules and then Trump can fire all he wants...

I predicted he would step on his dick with this one when this all started and now its happened. I wish he had shit-canned all the no-loads in a manner that would stick...

Not a stab at you, but I think you're missing the point. Maybe a can't see the forest for the trees deal. Why in the hell should federal workers be protected and propped up by laws, when so many of them abuse and break them on a regular basis? While there are some hard-working and honest ones, why haven't they spoken out against the abuses they know about? Everybody in an office knows when somebody is working the system. It's stupid to shield them with laws when they have no respect for them when they are supposed to follow them. 99% of the people I know HATE federal employees, and with good reason. I have NEVER had a positive experience with them yet myself. Thus my sympathy for them is null.

My solution is to fire everybody that's a federal worker, department by department. NO warning. Then put a hold on any benfits or retirement they receive until they can be cleared of any wrong doing while employeed. Have the military at the ready to walk in and do actual required work. While the military fills the void, define what and who is actually needed. Then start a rehiring process, military in the post having first preference. Anyone re-applying for a former position is subject to first a deep background check, including known associations with criminals or other undesirables. Rehiring is probationary with zero benefits for a period of five years. No unions allowed.

Anyone found guilty of breaking the law while working heads to Gitmo until there's time to see when a trial can be set up.

[Vette40th]

^ I would say not withhold financial losses till due process..
Gov Workers have become overly protected, compared to civilians doing the same job, for example.
Needs to stop. Government workers are a huge union, protected class for sure..
Trump has had 4 years to dive into this issue. I guarantee he is following his authority to do what is happening.
Remember, he is finding financial fraud in many of these departments. Failure to execute what they are designed to do, and or doing nefarious things against written policy, ie DEI/Laundering money, and so many other wasteful and illegal things.

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Not a stab at you, but I think you're missing the point. Maybe a can't see the forest for the trees deal. Why in the hell should federal workers be protected and propped up by laws, when so many of them abuse and break them on a regular basis? While there are some hard-working and honest ones, why haven't they spoken out against the abuses they know about? Everybody in an office knows when somebody is working the system. It's stupid to shield them with laws when they have no respect for them when they are supposed to follow them. 99% of the people I know HATE federal employees, and with good reason. I have NEVER had a positive experience with them yet myself. Thus my sympathy for them is null.

My solution is to fire everybody that's a federal worker, department by department. NO warning. Then put a hold on any benfits or retirement they receive until they can be cleared of any wrong doing while employeed. Have the military at the ready to walk in and do actual required work. While the military fills the void, define what and who is actually needed. Then start a rehiring process, military in the post having first preference. Anyone re-applying for a former position is subject to first a deep background check, including known associations with criminals or other undesirables. Rehiring is probationary with zero benefits for a period of five years. No unions allowed.

Anyone found guilty of breaking the law while working heads to Gitmo until there's time to see when a trial can be set up.

I get the desire for a 'scorched earth' approach - totally....but "guilty until proven innocent" is as un-American as it gets. And the military replacement only works if they have the skill set to perform, like Reagan using military air traffic controllers during the PAATCO union incident. You think some E-6 has the expertise to examine and grant patents, or, determine if a stock trade used insider information ?

The presumption that the majority (all?) Civil Servants break laws is specious and veterans already have hiring preference for nearly any position...

And the Civil Service Reform Act is the guiding statute for handling personnel actions, if someone wants to eliminate or abridge that act, its fine with me but at least do it formally and correctly.

Amazing how so many decried 'lawfare' and the left 'breaking the rules' and are OK with ousting an entire cadre of workers, regardless of due process, just because they chose a public service career.

Again, Federal employees are not 'at will' staff....and much of government is a not-for profit, regulatory enterprise not a commercial money-making business, I was hoping Trump had figured that out, but, apparently not.

Sorry folks but you guys are in an ironic conundrum and on the wrong side of this issue.

[LATB]

Amazing how so many decried 'lawfare' and the left 'breaking the rules' and are OK with ousting an entire cadre of workers, regardless of due process, just because they chose a public service career.