Enter MAHAman: RFK, Jr. to Meet with Food Industry Execs Tomorrow

[markids77]

Originally Posted by Trapper Sean

...or how bout The European Society of Cardiology?

Limit the consumption of saturated fatty acids [Trapper Sean] ie beef tallow [/Trapper Sean] to <10% of total energy through replacement by poly-unsaturated fatty acids (PUFA).

* Use vegetable oils rich in PUFA and soft spreads based on e.g., soybean oil, canola oil and extra-virgin olive oil.[Trapper Sean] ie "seed oils" [/Trapper Sean]

https://www.escardio.org/Journals/E-...ining-challeng

You won't get far discussing this here. All of these guys are absolutely certain they have the facts straight, but none I have seen state they are actual Biologists, Biochemists, Certified Nutritionists, Cardiologists or even Practicing Nurses to add credence to their argument. I can't recall them citing any peer reviewed studies supporting their views either.
I hope someone will prove me wrong....

[VatorMan]

Wife and I shop organic as they don’t spray wax on the veggies.Truthfully, they don’t look as good or have that bright color of the typical store veggie. They even cost more. When spring/summer rolls around we go to farmers markets. Since it’s only us 2 we are very conservative as far as amount.
Why the long boring paragraph? Because it’s easy and convenient to grab the waxed store veggie. It’s also cheaper. It looks better.

American shoppers have become visual shoppers. If you were to shop in France, you’d smell the tomato before you buy. Storekeepers basically shove them under your nose. Same for cheese and bread.

We need to relearn what fresh smells like . Waxed veggies have no smell.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by markids77

You won't get far discussing this here. All of these guys are absolutely certain they have the facts straight, but none I have seen state they are actual Biologists, Biochemists, Certified Nutritionists, Cardiologists or even Practicing Nurses to add credence to their argument. I can't recall them citing any peer reviewed studies supporting their views either.
I hope someone will prove me wrong....

“Appeal to Authority Fallacy”


Appeal to authority fallacy occurs when we accept a claim merely because someone tells us that an authority figure supports that claim. An authority figure can be a celebrity, a well-known scientist, or any person whose status and prestige causes us to respect them.

An appeal to authority (also known as an appeal to false or unqualified authority) plays on people’s feelings of respect or familiarity towards a famous person to bypass critical thinking. It’s like someone is telling us “accept this because some authority said it.”

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ap...ority-fallacy/

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Dan47

“Appeal to Authority Fallacy”


Appeal to authority fallacy occurs when we accept a claim merely because someone tells us that an authority figure supports that claim. An authority figure can be a celebrity, a well-known scientist, or any person whose status and prestige causes us to respect them.

An appeal to authority (also known as an appeal to false or unqualified authority) plays on people’s feelings of respect or familiarity towards a famous person to bypass critical thinking. It’s like someone is telling us “accept this because some authority said it.”

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ap...ority-fallacy/

See: Covid hysteria and Fauci/Scarf Lady/Big Pharma/FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO/Randi Weingarten/Brandon/Cackles, etc.

Turns out they were all wrong/lying, and the rag tag bunch of malcontents with no medical training here correctly avoided the mRNA shots by listening to lone and censored voices out in the wilderness from The FLCCC, Malone, Zelenko, Bowden, and others docs who were pilloried and made pariahs of because they dissented from the party line.

Advantage: uneducated rednecks and hillbillies of the VB, who recognized they'd rather take their chances with Ivermectin/HCQ than with shots so good people had to be coerced into taking, once the usual inducements, free donuts, etc., didn't work anymore.

[Trapper Sean]

Originally Posted by Dan47

“Appeal to Authority Fallacy”

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ap...ority-fallacy/

Great link. I'm pretty sure I could hit VB over the head with a few of these. even just in this thread. We may have:

Ad populum fallacy refers to a claim that something is true simply because that’s what a large number of people believe. In other words, if many people believe something to be true, then it must be true.

Millions of people died from the vax! I saw it again on YouTube and this notion is popular on VB!

An either-or fallacy occurs when someone claims there are only two possible options or sides in an argument when there are actually more. This is a manipulative method that forces others to accept the speaker’s viewpoint as legitimate, feasible, or ethical. This type of black-and-white thinking often appears in political speeches, advertising, and everyday conversations.

Rachel Madcow said no one would get the bug if vaxxed! Therefore it doesn't work!

A false cause fallacy occurs when someone incorrectly assumes that a causal relation exists between two things or events. This is an improper conclusion because either such a relationship does not exist or the evidence in support of it is insufficient.

A lot of sheeple got the vax and then a lot of people died! It was the vax!

Base rate fallacy refers to the tendency to ignore relevant statistical information in favor of case-specific information. Instead of taking into account the base rate or prior probability of an event, people are often distracted by less relevant information.

It's the clot shot! (J&J vax was known to have caused a handful of deaths from platelet-related thrombosis and it came off the market quickly. I'm not aware that the much more widely used mrna vaxxes caused any.)

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

Wife and I shop organic as they don’t spray wax on the veggies.Truthfully, they don’t look as good or have that bright color of the typical store veggie. They even cost more. When spring/summer rolls around we go to farmers markets. Since it’s only us 2 we are very conservative as far as amount.
Why the long boring paragraph? Because it’s easy and convenient to grab the waxed store veggie. It’s also cheaper. It looks better.

American shoppers have become visual shoppers. If you were to shop in France, you’d smell the tomato before you buy. Storekeepers basically shove them under your nose. Same for cheese and bread.

We need to relearn what fresh smells like . Waxed veggies have no smell.

Wife and I have dropped carbs, starch and sugar...basically 'keto'.

She's lost 15 lbs in two months and I just pulled back 6 pairs of 12 jeans out of the charity 'giveaway' pile that were too small at the waist two months back and they are actually loose on me now...

Two doctors told me you can tell how much sugar a person takes in by their waist size - no mystery...

One dietician said the American food industry has 57 different names for sugar.....they might call it something else, but when its broken down its sugar.

[Trapper Sean]

So back to the OP ..... what happened at the big meeting?
Buncha courteous baloney as far as I can tell.

RFKjr tweeted

Kennedy also tweeted on Monday evening, "For far too long, ingredient manufacturers and sponsors have exploited a loophole that has allowed new ingredients and chemicals, often with unknown safety data, to be introduced into the U.S. food supply without notification to the FDA or the public. Eliminating the GRAS [Generally Recognized as Safe] loophole will provide transparency to consumers, help get our nation’s food supply back on track by ensuring that ingredients being introduced into foods are safe, and ultimately Make America Healthy Again."

The FDA does not have resources to do exhaustive testing on every Betty Crocker recipe marketers can cook up. This especially applies to the vitamins and supplements aisle or store. If the supplement product contains all known ingredients that the FDA recognizes and does not detect a problem, then it is deemed GRAS and Walmart or GNC can sell it. Eliminating GRAS and requiring exhaustive testing is going to either bankrupt the FDA or the supplement aisle at Walmart.

And the bonehead paranoid RFK has zero evidence that the FDA has allowed any GRAS toxin or poison to slip through. Zero. All paranoia.

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by Dan47

“Appeal to Authority Fallacy”


Appeal to authority fallacy occurs when we accept a claim merely because someone tells us that an authority figure supports that claim. An authority figure can be a celebrity, a well-known scientist, or any person whose status and prestige causes us to respect them.

An appeal to authority (also known as an appeal to false or unqualified authority) plays on people’s feelings of respect or familiarity towards a famous person to bypass critical thinking. It’s like someone is telling us “accept this because some authority said it.”

https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/ap...ority-fallacy/

Sounds like Fauci and the clot shots.

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by Bill

See: Covid hysteria and Fauci/Scarf Lady/Big Pharma/FDA/CDC/NIH/WHO/Randi Weingarten/Brandon/Cackles, etc.

Turns out they were all wrong/lying, and the rag tag bunch of malcontents with no medical training here correctly avoided the mRNA shots by listening to lone and censored voices out in the wilderness from The FLCCC, Malone, Zelenko, Bowden, and others docs who were pilloried and made pariahs of because they dissented from the party line.

Advantage: uneducated rednecks and hillbillies of the VB, who recognized they'd rather take their chances with Ivermectin/HCQ than with shots so good people had to be coerced into taking, once the usual inducements, free donuts, etc., didn't work anymore.

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[donuts]

Originally Posted by Trapper Sean

So back to the OP ..... what happened at the big meeting?
Buncha courteous baloney as far as I can tell.

RFKjr tweeted

Kennedy also tweeted on Monday evening, "For far too long, ingredient manufacturers and sponsors have exploited a loophole that has allowed new ingredients and chemicals, often with unknown safety data, to be introduced into the U.S. food supply without notification to the FDA or the public. Eliminating the GRAS [Generally Recognized as Safe] loophole will provide transparency to consumers, help get our nation’s food supply back on track by ensuring that ingredients being introduced into foods are safe, and ultimately Make America Healthy Again."

The FDA does not have resources to do exhaustive testing on every Betty Crocker recipe marketers can cook up. This especially applies to the vitamins and supplements aisle or store. If the supplement product contains all known ingredients that the FDA recognizes and does not detect a problem, then it is deemed GRAS and Walmart or GNC can sell it. Eliminating GRAS and requiring exhaustive testing is going to either bankrupt the FDA or the supplement aisle at Walmart.

And the bonehead paranoid RFK has zero evidence that the FDA has allowed any GRAS toxin or poison to slip through. Zero. All paranoia.

Prove it.

[donuts]

Originally Posted by Trapper Sean

...or how bout The European Society of Cardiology?

Limit the consumption of saturated fatty acids [Trapper Sean] ie beef tallow [/Trapper Sean] to <10% of total energy through replacement by poly-unsaturated fatty acids (PUFA).

* Use vegetable oils rich in PUFA and soft spreads based on e.g., soybean oil, canola oil and extra-virgin olive oil.[Trapper Sean] ie "seed oils" [/Trapper Sean]

https://www.escardio.org/Journals/E-...ining-challeng

Same for all of them. They evaporate without public funding they say what they’re told to say and to what supports the payroll.

[Tikiman]

Can't remember the last time I purchased vegetable oil. I use olive oil for 90% of my cooking and, when a higher temp is required, I use avocado oil.

[Swany00]

avocado oils here, wife loves using beef tallow too.

It's a shame our gov't has been lying to us for decades and they got exposed extremely bad the last 5 or so years. It's no wonder they want to try and silence people like RFK jr, he's come out every time saying he isn't a vax denier and people can get whatever vax they want, but they should be informed about it= left news media crying he's anti vax.

[Bill]

While we're on the subject, hey @Trapper Sean.....which vaccine was it that caused the tell tale scarring many of us older folks have on our upper arms? MMR? A different one? I know back then, we all got vastly FEWER shots, yet everyone of that era has virtually the same identical scar.

I'm not complaining about it, just curious.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Bill

While we're on the subject, hey @Trapper Sean.....which vaccine was it that caused the tell tale scarring many of us older folks have on our upper arms? MMR? A different one? I know back then, we all got vastly FEWER shots, yet everyone of that era has virtually the same identical scar.

I'm not complaining about it, just curious.

Wasn't that the smallpox one?

[LATB]

People love to throw around the word “organic”.
It’s mostly bullchit. Nothing but a marketing word. Because a product doesn’t have to be very organic to have it on the label. Certainly not 100% organic.

I have actual experience with a 100% organic farm. It takes years to get true certification for 100% organic. The testing is comprehensive and legitimate. And the annual certification is a whole lot more than some guy walking around the property.

True organic farming is time consuming and very expensive. Very very expensive. And not very profitable.

The farm I worked on is still 100%. And he spent years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on his fields to get there.
He cuts 10,000 round bales of Bahia annually. An Argentine/Pensacola hybrid with clover.
He also cuts several thousand square bales of peanut hay.
And he harvests the Bahia seed.
All 100% organic.
He sells mostly to horse ranches.

He is lucky if he breaks even at the end of the year.
Only way it works is he is very wealthy and throws money at it.

He’s taken the market garden into huge greenhouses to stay organic and cut the costs of weed and pest management.
Also added a large fruit tree orchard with high fencing. That is going to be a chore to maintain 100% organic.

I have eaten fruit and vegetables off his farm. The difference is significant.

[Bill]

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What's this? Just the American Heart Association shilling against a bill that would disallow food stamps to be used for soda, candy, and chips. Why would the AHA be against a bill that prevents food stamps from buying unhealthy junk food?

[Aerovette]

There is nothing healthy about a french fry from McDonalds that falls between the seats and when found 6 years later, looks like it did the day it was ordered. Something s very wrong there.

How about this?

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50262547

[Trapper Sean]

Originally Posted by Bill

https://x.com/amuse/status/1899776955462942806

What's this? Just the American Heart Association shilling against a bill that would disallow food stamps to be used for soda, candy, and chips. Why would the AHA be against a bill that prevents food stamps from buying unhealthy junk food?

Looks like fake news to me.