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Old 05-07-2018, 1:15pm   #41
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How many people here will truly be personally affected by this change? If yes, how so?
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I have 2 Grandsons close to Cub Scout age-so me.
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I will be. I actively volunteer at the district, council, regional, and national level.

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I can understand why girls would want to join the BSA but I can't see how there won't be a new "Baby's Daddy" badge. I've lived through 2 USN Destroyer Tenders that were half female sailors. The number of births and pregnancies while underway were unreal. And this was with horny 20+ year olds.
Go ahead, lets see 9 months after your first combined jamboree.
One of the sub-camps at this last jamboree was fully integrated with coed venture crews and international scouts. I did have a few issues with some of my guys not respecting boundaries, and I had to have some very frank conversations, but that's part of working with and mentoring young people.

World Jamborees have been coed for decades.
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I will be. I actively volunteer at the district, council, regional, and national level.



One of the sub-camps at this last jamboree was fully integrated with coed venture crews and international scouts. I did have a few issues with some of my guys not respecting boundaries, and I had to have some very frank conversations, but that's part of working with and mentoring young people.

World Jamborees have been coed for decades.

What do you guys thinks the true impact will be? Good or bad? I want to understand the perspective from you guys.
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Short term? Who cares? It's the Boy Scouts. Long term? It's what we've been pointing out for, well, pretty much my entire adult life. The long march of the left through the Western institutions, the communist progressive left or whatever you want to call it, continues unabated. Each little battle is a victory for the subjugation of humanity. You might think this to be the ramblings of a madman, hyperbole, or whatever the hell you want to call it. But just for example, look at the political makeup of any major Western institution 50 years ago. And contrast and compare it to today. For a concrete example tell me how many conservative, right-leaning college professors there are in the Ivy Leagues. Hell, in any university system anymore.

No, I couldn't give a rat's ass about this latest little incremental move. It's just par for the course, isn't it? There was the Boy Scouts, and the Girl Scouts. But that couldn't be left alone. No. They love nothing more than brainwashing them early.

I can see the wheels turning in your head "Wait, maybe this is a good thing! Maybe these institutions needed to be changed for the better. Maybe gutting them and turning them into something new and better is what should be done!"

Well, OK, you can think that if you want. But it's terribly naive and incorrect. Dangerously so. Just look what third wave feminism has done to first/second wave.
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My grandson started in cub scouts went thru webelos and is now in boys scouts. I take him to all scout functions, his dad passed away when he was a little over a year old. I'm a former scout myself. I personally don't like it, the adults will be discussing this soon.
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FWIW, the Boy Scouts have allowed (and welcomed) female participants in Explorer posts for a long time now. I was an Explorer for a number of years way back when and the ladies were a welcome addition to the activities. Post 1369, I shit you not.
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FWIW, the Boy Scouts have allowed (and welcomed) female participants in Explorer posts for a long time now. I was an Explorer for a number of years way back when and the ladies were a welcome addition to the activities. Post 1369, I shit you not.
Yeah, that wasnít enough. Itís like Augusta National said you can play the par-3 course, but not the real golf course. They were never going to stop until fully converted. Note that the Girl Scouts remain unchanged. Because not a target.
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Yeah, that wasnít enough. Itís like Augusta National said you can play the par-3 course, but not the real golf course. They were never going to stop until fully converted. Note that the Girl Scouts remain unchanged. Because not a target.
I did not mention that this was at possibly 40 years ago when the sexes were 2, and the twain never did meet. I do recall some of our female members coming aboard because the Girl Scouts offered nothing similar to their membership at the time. I suspect that might still be the case?

EDIT: Our Post was centered around outdoor activities like rock climbing, skiing, and motorsport. Yes, the girls crewed at Lime Rock as well as attacking overhangs in the Shawangunks.
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Short term? Who cares? It's the Boy Scouts. Long term? It's what we've been pointing out for, well, pretty much my entire adult life. The long march of the left through the Western institutions, the communist progressive left or whatever you want to call it, continues unabated. Each little battle is a victory for the subjugation of humanity. You might think this to be the ramblings of a madman, hyperbole, or whatever the hell you want to call it. But just for example, look at the political makeup of any major Western institution 50 years ago. And contrast and compare it to today. For a concrete example tell me how many conservative, right-leaning college professors there are in the Ivy Leagues. Hell, in any university system anymore.

No, I couldn't give a rat's ass about this latest little incremental move. It's just par for the course, isn't it? There was the Boy Scouts, and the Girl Scouts. But that couldn't be left alone. No. They love nothing more than brainwashing them early.

I can see the wheels turning in your head "Wait, maybe this is a good thing! Maybe these institutions needed to be changed for the better. Maybe gutting them and turning them into something new and better is what should be done!"

Well, OK, you can think that if you want. But it's terribly naive and incorrect. Dangerously so. Just look what third wave feminism has done to first/second wave.


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Short term? Who cares? It's the Boy Scouts. Long term? It's what we've been pointing out for, well, pretty much my entire adult life. The long march of the left through the Western institutions, the communist progressive left or whatever you want to call it, continues unabated. Each little battle is a victory for the subjugation of humanity. You might think this to be the ramblings of a madman, hyperbole, or whatever the hell you want to call it. But just for example, look at the political makeup of any major Western institution 50 years ago. And contrast and compare it to today. For a concrete example tell me how many conservative, right-leaning college professors there are in the Ivy Leagues. Hell, in any university system anymore.

No, I couldn't give a rat's ass about this latest little incremental move. It's just par for the course, isn't it? There was the Boy Scouts, and the Girl Scouts. But that couldn't be left alone. No. They love nothing more than brainwashing them early.

I can see the wheels turning in your head "Wait, maybe this is a good thing! Maybe these institutions needed to be changed for the better. Maybe gutting them and turning them into something new and better is what should be done!"

Well, OK, you can think that if you want. But it's terribly naive and incorrect. Dangerously so. Just look what third wave feminism has done to first/second wave.
Now dont go too far in that rabbit hole, I want to understand and make an educated decision. Dont make an assumption about my stance because Im seeking answers. I want to understand the good, the bad, and the ugly. I prefer to make an educated response.

Will there be good that comes out of this, probably will. Will there be bad, of course. I for see lots of growing pains. I think this was positioned entirely wrong. I would think a merger would have gone over better, and been more accepting. But maybe that wasn't the point. Maybe they wanted controversy to try and get more membership to both programs. Enough resistance and people will dig their feet in the ground in opposition. Its human nature.

I was in scouts and grew to hate it. I jump to a few different troops as I thought some were better than others. Some were considered more prestigious than other. I did learn some valuable lessons about ethics and leadership. What is it also exposed me to favoritism, corruption.

Change is inevitable. You can resist, you can follow, or you can be part of the change. Each path has it's own challenges. What people need to understand is when you know better you do better. If you look at the root of many of today's issues, it boils down to ignorance. Education is key, and being open to learning will take you much further in life. I dont want to stay in one bubble for my whole life. I want to learn, I want to explore, I want to go as far as possible in life, good, bad, and ugly.
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Short term? Who cares? It's the Boy Scouts. Long term? It's what we've been pointing out for, well, pretty much my entire adult life. The long march of the left through the Western institutions, the communist progressive left or whatever you want to call it, continues unabated. Each little battle is a victory for the subjugation of humanity. You might think this to be the ramblings of a madman, hyperbole, or whatever the hell you want to call it. But just for example, look at the political makeup of any major Western institution 50 years ago. And contrast and compare it to today. For a concrete example tell me how many conservative, right-leaning college professors there are in the Ivy Leagues. Hell, in any university system anymore.
https://townhall.com/columnists/scot...couts-n2478109
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What do you guys thinks the true impact will be? Good or bad? I want to understand the perspective from you guys.
I'm going to go with mixed.

I think you'll see increases in membership in more diverse areas and population centers.

I also think you'll see more rural areas take a hit. This will likely not pitch well in the South (as seen by this thread).

People who are younger than me (under 35) are generally in favor of it, by looking at my social media feeds. Folks who are older (50+) generally don't like it. I think we're seeing some generational shifts.

I did get asked by my local council to be a part of some information gathering meetings during Spring of 2017 as someone who is vested in the program. I didn't speak much, I actually went more to listen. Local scouters I work with want to see more people in scouting, not less. They are excited at the potential at helping more young people, not less.

I get that scouting isn't for everyone, and I'm fortunate to work with some of the best (one young man I've been working with on some national initiatives over the last 3 years just got accepted as a Fulbright scholar). It's helped me be more successful, and my goal is to pay it forward. YMMV.
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Yeah, it's not as if the SJW's only recently turned their sights on this institution. No, they've been chipping away at it for 20+ years. It takes awhile to infiltrate and hollow out an institution. Fortunately for them, they are super good at it. Then, once they have succeeded in destroying yet another Western institution, they'll wear the carcass as a hair suit and demand your respect.
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My bet is that the Boy Scout's enrollment numbers will plummet to a fraction of what is current, by Feb 2019.
You might be right. The LDS just announced it is severing ties with BSA. Note the following:

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You might be right. The LDS just announced it is severing ties with BSA. Note the following:
They are just taking 450,000 Boy Scouts out of the new Scouts BSA. That's all. But the new Scouts BSA, with it's lovely social justice agenda, and no doubt a merit badges in "Reporting Your Parents to the Authorities" for wrong-think, climate change apathy, lack of donations to the DNC and Planned Parenthood, and ownership of a MAGA hat or fully semi-automatic assault rifle - it's a glorious new day!
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They are just taking 450,000 Boy Scouts out of the new Scouts BSA. That's all. But the new Scouts BSA, with it's lovely social justice agenda, and no doubt a merit badges in "Reporting Your Parents to the Authorities" for wrong-think, climate change apathy, lack of donations to the DNC and Planned Parenthood, and ownership of a MAGA hat or fully semi-automatic assault rifle - it's a glorious new day!
Sounds a lot like D.A.R.E.

By the time the kids who have narc'd on their parents realize the irreparable harm they have done to their families, it is too late.
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Sounds a lot like D.A.R.E.

By the time the kids who have narc'd on their parents realize the irreparable harm they have done to their families, it is too late.
Oh, it gets better. Remember when the Boy Scouts were sued and agreed to allow openly homosexual scout leaders? Take a wild guess who it was that forced that on them. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.
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