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Old 05-04-2018, 2:49pm   #21
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How long have the Boy Scouts needed an administrative position like this:



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Seeing as the BSA is hosting a World Jamboree in 2019, with an expected 35,000+ participants from around the world, it's likely a valuable position.

The BSA also has a long history of being predominantly like me, white and middle class.

Part of the shift towards a more family based activity is a reach out to families that operate differently. When your business is people, it helps to have people thinking outside the box.
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I'm not seeing this as the destruction of a beloved institution. Women have been involved with scouting for a long time. Even at the beloved Philmont, women have been rangers for close to 50 years.
https://www.outsideonline.com/230069...d-girl-rangers

I think this graphic will help people understand what's changing, and how much isn't changing.

Third row, second column.

Is changing that entry to include girls the only way to make things fair?
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Third row, second column.

Is changing that entry to include girls the only way to make things fair?
No idea if it's about being fair.

I'd say it's about supplying a demand. Girl Scouts provide programming to 1.8 million girls. BSA thinks their program will appeal to families and build leadership. Girl Scouts are welcome to do the same if they like. It's their choice.
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No idea if it's about being fair.

I'd say it's about supplying a demand. Girl Scouts provide programming to 1.8 million girls. BSA thinks their program will appeal to families and build leadership. Girl Scouts are welcome to do the same if they like. It's their choice.


If it works that way, great.


I still say it's going to kill the institution. And there was no need to. The Girl Scouts could have made a better, bolder program than the BSA's Eagle Scout program, one that's worth even more and is harder to achieve.

But they didn't.

My bet is that the Boy Scout's enrollment numbers will plummet to a fraction of what is current, by Feb 2019.

I guess time will tell.
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I was a Cub Scout, Webelos Scout and a Boy Scout.

So does my opinion matter?














Ackshully even if I hadn't been involved... would my opinion would still have mattered?

Sure your opinion matters, it just helps me structure argument. BSA is an alphabet soup agency and it allows me to make appropriate references. It's intimidating for those who aren't familiar.

I'll admit I'm biased. I have a lot invested in the program (time, financials, commitments) because it gave me a lot as a young man.

I'm excited to see more community service projects, more support of national forests and national parks. I'm currently helping plan a big national service project for the National Mall in 2023. We're hoping to get 5000+ people to help. I don't think we'll struggle getting those numbers. There are some cool opportunities here, and I think it'll be great to have young men working next to young women making it happen.
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Looks like the Girl Scouts aren't too happy about having some of their membership poached:

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Dear Girl Scout family:



Thank you for your participation in Girl Scouting this past year. As you know, we are the premier leadership development organization for girls in kindergarten through 12th grade-providing girls a fun, safe space to learn and grow for more than 100 years. In fact, research shows 70-percent of women who hold leadership roles were Girl Scouts in their youth.

The Girl Scout mission and purpose have not and will not waiver-we are here for every girl. Our research, programs and delivery have a single focus-girls.

No matter how Boy Scouts may try to structure their brand and programming to include girls, the fact is, our program doesn't just include girls, it's developed specifically for girls.



Call to Action:

We encourage the entire family to get involved; parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles can volunteer in different ways. We welcome all adults who want to invest in the next generation of female leaders to volunteer today.
Keep communicating and talking. Discuss our highest awards and girl-only environment that keeps girls safe while delivering a tailor-made curriculum. If you earned your Girl Scout Gold Award or any of the other highest awards, put it on your LinkedIn page, your bio, and your résumé.
Prevent confusion in our communities, always insert "Girl" before Scouts, Girl Scouts. When one references just scouting it does not differentiate between the programs, or draw the distinction to Girl Scouts. Girl Scouts is an independent organization, providing a single gender environment for girls, with so much to offer.
Please join the Girl Scout Network on LinkedIn for interaction, collaboration, and to further our Movement.

early bird 2019 Get ready for a new year, and renew your membership today. Current Girl Scouts who register now through June 30, 2018 will receive an Early Bird patch.


You know Girl Scouts offers unmatched programming. High-adventure. STEM, Camping. Entrepreneurship.


Thank you for all you do and for making the choice that puts girls first!


Sincerely,

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The Girl Scout membership year runs from October 1 - September 30

Girl Scouts Nation's Capital | 800-523-7898 | www.gscnc.org
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i'll buy Girl Scout cookies , but i'm not buying "scout" cookies
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BSA had their national headquarters just off Wisc ave, north Bethesda Md... stone building, small by modern standards....maybe 2 dozen offices in it....

I did some work in the building, near 40 years ago, kitchens as I recall.....and I always had a weird feeling about the place, something just struck me as being a tad off key....

never did put a finger on just what.....and now this.....
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Their program has different designs and focuses and it's built entirely differently.

For all the folks complaining in here, how many of you are actually involved in the scouting movement?
Ted, folks are upset at the cumulative results of which the BSA is just another of the progressive touchy, feely silliness. The progressive loons are destroying the rules that got the US to be the big dog in a room full of pups. Just my .02.
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The reality is that the changes to the program are because people are asking for it. I had two younger sisters that would have been much more interested in the BSA program than the Girl Scouts. They did Girl Scouts, but lost interest because of this.


Baby Bear was a Scout Camp Counselor for two summers. We had this conversation at school today. It's kind of interesting- liberal female teachers can't understand why girls would want to participate in the Boy Scouts... or what the whole draw was.

So basically, on both sides... liberal females can't understand why girls wanted to participate in Boy Scouts... conservative males can't understand why Boy Scouts would let them.
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Their program has different designs and focuses and it's built entirely differently.

For all the folks complaining in here, how many of you are actually involved in the scouting movement?
See post #7 for my answer! Been there done it!

To add to my post 7 my boys both did Jamborees, Maine Hi Adventure and Sea base & a trip to England for two weeks staying with the British Scouts families. We also reciprocated and hosted the British boy scouts for 2 weeks here!
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it just doesn't stop/ We're fecked.....
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it just doesn't stop/ We're fecked.....
Those progressives won't ever stop. They'll just pick another target and hack away at it until it's all busted up, then move on to another one.
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IF the "Scouts" survive and recruit girls, then the Girl Scouts may not survive.

Then in a couple of decades, people will rediscover that boys and girls are different, and the "Scouts" may split into the "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts".
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Ted, folks are upset at the cumulative results of which the BSA is just another of the progressive touchy, feely silliness. The progressive loons are destroying the rules that got the US to be the big dog in a room full of pups. Just my .02.
I can respect it. I don't understand it, but I can respect it.

My take is that out side of the military, it's hard to find an organization that is as dedicated to building leaders. It's built into the rank advancement, it's built into the training, it's a focus of the entire program. Leadership is built into the DNA. There's a reason why Eagle Scouts get a promotion in the military. The other co-ed programs (Venturing, Exploring) offer leadership components, but it's not built into the program that the rank and file participate in.

If Girl Scouts have that, it's not well promoted or advertised (at least until recently).

Why wouldn't we want to develop more leadership capabilities in our people of tomorrow? Good leaders know when to lead, and when to follow. They get things done. From my view point, we need more good leaders, not fewer.

YMMV.
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IF the "Scouts" survive and recruit girls, then the Girl Scouts may not survive.

Then in a couple of decades, people will rediscover that boys and girls are different, and the "Scouts" may split into the "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts".
Maybe, but it hasn't happened yet in any of the other 157 countries that have integrated scouting programs.
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I can respect it. I don't understand it, but I can respect it.

My take is that out side of the military, it's hard to find an organization that is as dedicated to building leaders. It's built into the rank advancement, it's built into the training, it's a focus of the entire program. Leadership is built into the DNA. There's a reason why Eagle Scouts get a promotion in the military. The other co-ed programs (Venturing, Exploring) offer leadership components, but it's not built into the program that the rank and file participate in.

If Girl Scouts have that, it's not well promoted or advertised (at least until recently).

Why wouldn't we want to develop more leadership capabilities in our people of tomorrow? Good leaders know when to lead, and when to follow. They get things done. From my view point, we need more good leaders, not fewer.

YMMV.
I can understand why girls would want to join the BSA but I can't see how there won't be a new "Baby's Daddy" badge. I've lived through 2 USN Destroyer Tenders that were half female sailors. The number of births and pregnancies while underway were unreal. And this was with horny 20+ year olds.
Go ahead, lets see 9 months after your first combined jamboree.
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I can understand why girls would want to join the BSA but I can't see how there won't be a new "Baby's Daddy" badge. I've lived through 2 USN Destroyer Tenders that were half female sailors. The number of births and pregnancies while underway were unreal. And this was with horny 20+ year olds.
Go ahead, lets see 9 months after your first combined jamboree.
I remember church camp between 6th and 7th grade, it was coed, and lasted seven days. The girls were more aggressive than the boys were. A group of them tricked me, got me alone in some wooded area, tied me to a tree, took turns kissing me, and then put Nair on my arms and left me there tied to a tree. I didn't try very hard to stop them from tying me up, but can you imagine if a group of boys did that to a chick? My friend Todd found me not long after and I washed that vile Nair off my arms. Not sure why they wasted that on me, I was pretty hairless back then.
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