WTF is Going On With All These UAPs?

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Little Red L98.

Figured that out all by myself two. What was wrong with UFO. Are they identified now? Are they not flying anymore? Are they not objects? UAP =


I get my news from here. It’s the most reliable source along with weekend update.

It must be like:

Some young person HAD to change ft.-lbs. to lb.-ft. If you're reading car stuff, you can tell what generation the writer is by which one he uses.

And they HAD to change movie previews to "trailers."

It's all ****ing stupid.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Then how and why was he employed in the physics dept. at Los Alamos Labs? (GSC3 beat me to it)

Never mind. Don't answer that. People who don't believe are extremely passionate about their skepticism and typically won't suspend their disbelief long enough to evaluate information without bias.

I’ll answer, he was probably a janitor or low level flunky doing basic infrastructure support at the Labs.

I’m not a non-believer in UFO’s in general but I know bullshit when I smell it. The fact you buy into his crap says volumes about your gullibility.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

I’ll answer, he was probably a janitor or low level flunky doing basic infrastructure support at the Labs.

I’m not a non-believer in UFO’s in general but I know bullshit when I smell it. The fact you buy into his crap says volumes about your gullibility.

I doubt that janitors had their own phone extension.

I would classify Lazar as questionable. He has a lot of knowledge of things that a regular joe would not know. Top secret stuff and knowledge of some of the security procedures at Area 51.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

In an interview I watched, he mentioned the Physics Dept.

Bob Lazaar is a prime example of USGOV using tradecraft against a citizen they wished to discredit/silence because they knew he would go public and killing him would just add to his credibility. In the book I referenced, Cooper talked about a guy that got smoked (several actually) because they wanted to go public about Roswell (and other things). (Forrestal being a huge one). Killing these people gets too messy...so it's easier now to just discredit them.

Seed that doubt and the sheep will continue to eat the grass.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

I’ll answer, he was probably a janitor or low level flunky doing basic infrastructure support at the Labs.

I’m not a non-believer in UFO’s in general but I know bullshit when I smell it. The fact you buy into his crap says volumes about your gullibility.

Like I said...can't (or are unwilling) to see past your own bias.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I doubt that janitors had their own phone extension.

Well, geez there it is, the smoking gun. You’ve convinced me he’s legit.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

Well, geez there it is, the smoking gun. You’ve convinced me he’s legit.

I'm not convinced about him myself but there are just so many things that he said that turned out to be true. He also knew about what time and location they were testing the crafts and he took some friends out to the desert to watch them. How is that possible if he had no inside knowledge? I have to admit... it's also possible that he knew someone who worked in there and he got 2nd hand knowledge. That would explain a lot. If he didn't have 2nd hand knowledge of some top secret stuff, HOW did he learn about those things?

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Like I said...can't (or are unwilling) to see past your own bias.

I don’t think utilizing common sense qualifies as having bias.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm not convinced about him myself but there are just so many things that he said that turned out to be true. He also knew about what time and location they were testing the crafts and he took some friends out to the desert to watch them. How is that possible if he had no inside knowledge? I have to admit... it's also possible that he knew someone who worked in there and he got 2nd hand knowledge. That would explain a lot. If he didn't have 2nd hand knowledge of some top secret stuff, HOW did he learn about those things?

Bingo! Second hand knowledge for the win. He’s just smart enough, is a good bullshitter, and has enough chutzpah to fool those wishing desperately UFO’s are real.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

I don’t think utilizing common sense qualifies as having bias.

Several logical fallacies in that statement.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Several logical fallacies in that statement.

Such as?

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

Such as?

Personal Incredulity
Burden of Proof
Anecdotal
the fallacy fallacy

to name a few. Your statement could fall into any of those.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Personal Incredulity
Burden of Proof
Anecdotal
the fallacy fallacy

to name a few. Your statement could fall into any of those.

I think you’re making it a little more complex than it needs to be. Bob Lazar is a proven fraudster, his personal history makes it difficult to believe much of what he says.

[Bill]

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[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

Bingo! Second hand knowledge for the win. He’s just smart enough, is a good bullshitter, and has enough chutzpah to fool those wishing desperately UFO’s are real.

If he is really a bullshitter, he is REALLY good at it. His story never changed. Very often, if someone is truly a bullshitter, stories change over time. His story has been firm since day 1.

[Louie Detroit]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

If he is really a bullshitter, he is REALLY good at it. His story never changed. Very often, if someone is truly a bullshitter, stories change over time. His story has been firm since day 1.

Who knows, maybe he does know things about UFO’s from his work experience, but his personal history should make people regard him with a high degree of skepticism.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

Who knows, maybe he does know things about UFO’s from his work experience, but his personal history should make people regard him with a high degree of skepticism.

If it wasn't for his educational claims, I would 100% believe in him. Due to his likely lies about his education, I have doubts about him but believe that a lot of what he claims is true, even if he obtained the knowledge 2nd hand.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by Louie Detroit

I think you’re making it a little more complex than it needs to be. Bob Lazar is a proven fraudster, his personal history makes it difficult to believe much of what he says.

It's easy to prove things as the GOV. They have ALL of the tools available. Evidence can be removed, fabricated, eradicated, altered, etc. with minimal effort by the GOV.

Think about it dude. If you threatened to go public with data they (the GOV) didn't want released, how easy would it be for them to discredit you, especially today. With AI controlled media, they could discredit you before the press even released your name to the public.

Now think about doing it in a time before computers were mainstream and internet wasn't everywhere. It was all paper based. Think it's hard for the FBI to visit MIT, pull his file, seal them, and bind the faculty to NDSs? That's how mistakes get made...some paperwork gets missed, like the phone book error. Rest assured, the GOV doesn't make those mistakes anymore.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

So you don't believe in anything? Ghosts? Bigfoot? ESP?

I'm educated in nuclear physics and engineering. No, I don't believe in ghosts, bigfoot, or ESP. We couldn't keep the secrets of how to build a nuclear weapon secret at the time but we can keep UFOs secret for decades. Sorry, not buying it.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I have my doubts about his education as well. He may not have attended those.
However, the government did claim that Lazar never worked at Los Alamos but the Los Alamos phone book had his name listed.
Furthermore, he knew details on a security device that was not in any way publicly known. Back in the 1980's he talked about this machine that identified you based on the bones in your hand or something like that. NOBODY who wasn't working there knew about this machine. I have my doubts on Lazar but there are things that he couldn't have known (that turned out to be real) if he wasn't working there or at least close to someone who did. I believe that his educational claims are fraudulent. However, it can be proven that he DID work at Los Alamos.

Lots of people worked at Los Alamos - including me at one point. That doesn't mean he (or I) had access to most classified information as it was on a need-to-know basis and compartmentalized. The "security device that was not in any way publicly known" is utter BS and you seem to have bought into it hook, line and sinker. Lazar is a proven liar and a fraud.

I had access to, and knowledge of, a lot of highly classified information in my career. If I went public with it I'd be arrested and prosecuted as I should be. People with high-level security clearances don't divulge what they know, but some are great bullshitters and story tellers.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

If it wasn't for his educational claims, I would 100% believe in him. Due to his likely lies about his education, I have doubts about him but believe that a lot of what he claims is true, even if he obtained the knowledge 2nd hand.

His work on Element 115 is what drew me in. He knew intimate things about Element 115 (weight, properties, handling requirements, etc.) 13+ years before it was even "discovered" in 2003.