Dammit! Forgot to charge my car last night

[LATB]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

You claim I'm wrong - the burden of proving so is on you.

In most cases the cost of a parking lot is not part of an employees compensation. And comparing it to health ins and vacation is stupid.

Also, in commercial development...parking is a VERY useful and productive use of the land. As the building size is determined by parking spots. More parking = larger building = more tenant income.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I see your lessons from BaghdadBadger are going well.

* the standard rules of debate

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by LATB

In most cases the cost of a parking lot is not part of an employees compensation.

There are some places (e.g. Manhattan, downtown Chicago) where many employers do not provide parking for their employees. Employees who drive to work have to park in a private lot and pay $35, $50, or more per day to park there.

Providing parking is not free. If an employer provides a space for me to park my car, that is a tangible benefit that I receive over and above my salary, just like any other benefit in my overall compensation package.

https://ctmirror.org/2023/10/15/free...really-free-2/

[09CTSV]

Okay enough bullshit crying and whining. Each and every one has their own opinions on EV's. I was one who test drove one when the i3 came out, did not like it was not impressed by it. Tried a Hybrid, not for me.
Along comes the Supertruck Hummer. Test drove one, impressed by the ride, handling, room and performance. Still thought of range anxiety. Being an old fart I started twiddling with different Apps mapping routes to different locations. WOW, I can drive for about 2.5 hours before a 40 minute bio break to "fuel up". It takes about that long to take a leak, stretch my back, grab a drink and get ready to roll. Yes 40 minutes and I can charge at 80 KW to get another 2 hours. Will I hate stopping every 250 miles to top off, no. Am I in that big of a rush to get to the next place. Nah, I can cruise along just fine.

For comparison, the Durango Hellcat costs about $45 a week to top off driving back and forth to work and around town. The Hummer has cost $23 to charge at home for 500 miles of driving, not too bad at all.
Are we looking to take a 1000 mile road trip tomorrow, no. Would we plan our trip and plan for stops etc, yes. How did our parents make it when the gas stations weren't as abundant as they are today. I remember when most gas stations were closed on Holidays and some on weekends. What did we do then, panic because we couldn't get gas, no we planned our trips. Amazing how history repeats itself.

I'm not here to convince everyone to purchase and EV. I will tell it in cold weather they do lose their range, so do ICE's. Look at winter blend of fuel and I believe it is a 10-15% loss in economy for it. I read it somewhere but slept since then.

Will I get rid of our ICE's, no. Will we enjoy taking our pets with us on trips in the EV, yes.

Worried about batteries, they are starting to recycle batteries. Give it a year and solid state batteries will be out.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by 09CTSV

Give it a year and solid state batteries will be out.

WTF?

[09CTSV]

Yeh, no li-ion. Toyota and VW are both on the neck of making solid state batteries a reality for cars. From what I've read Toyota has one with a 700 or 800 mile range and recharge time around 10 minutes.
Would that take your range anxiety and loathing of waiting for a whole ten minutes to get filled up away?

The way some of you think we should all be using an abacus instead of a calculator. Some people are so afraid of change it is funny.

I drove the HC this weekend, different than driving the Hummer. I missed the growl of 710 ponies under the hood but also missed the quiet of 830 HP driving down the road. Each vehicle has their own special way of invigorating the drive.

[VatorMan]

Personally I hope Dodges new hybrid RAM makes it. It uses the same technology as a locomotive. Diesel or gas engine powers an electric motor to drive the wheels.

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by zeek

Dealerships have EV's sitting on their lots that they cant give away. Rental companies like Hertz are no longer purchasing EV's. When the battery dies, $20 grand to replace and no way to dispose of the old battery. Not to mention all the destruction of the earth just to mine what it takes to make the battery. It is all a liberal ploy and it would seem that some of the folks with lesser intelligence not only fell for it, but continue to promote their foolishness ad nauseam as we see in this thread.

It's ok....we understand that you have to try and defend your belief, even if the truth goes against what you believe.

Sort of like the clot shots in that regard.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

There are some places (e.g. Manhattan, downtown Chicago) where many employers do not provide parking for their employees. Employees who drive to work have to park in a private lot and pay $35, $50, or more per day to park there.

Providing parking is not free. If an employer provides a space for me to park my car, that is a tangible benefit that I receive over and above my salary, just like any other benefit in my overall compensation package.

https://ctmirror.org/2023/10/15/free...really-free-2/

Good post.
The big urban areas are exactly why I posted "In most cases".

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I have news for you, I don't think that there are too many government paid free chargers. Most FREE chargers are at private businesses who use it as a marketing tool to attract business of EV owners.
I get a lot of my free charging at a private business (software company) which has a sign that they allow the public to charge at their business as long as it's outside of their business hours as the chargers are used by their employees during work hours. There is a kids playground a block from that charger and when I take my kids there, I'm charging for free.

Nothing is free. Those costs are passed onto you fellow consumers.

[LATB]

Along comes the Supertruck Hummer.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries

I agree with Lars.

.... but if you decide to start making protest votes for clueless commie leftists, we'll need to ask you to leave.

Dems are 100% unelectable.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Dems are 100% unelectable.

But they keep winning elections, hmmmm....

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by LATB

But they keep winning elections, hmmmm....

not by legal means......

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by zeek

In summary:

EV's dont work well in cold climates.
EV's dont work well when on fire.

It just happens that gas cars are 10 times more likely to catch fire.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by 09CTSV

Yeh, no li-ion. Toyota and VW are both on the neck of making solid state batteries a reality for cars. From what I've read Toyota has one with a 700 or 800 mile range and recharge time around 10 minutes.
Would that take your range anxiety and loathing of waiting for a whole ten minutes to get filled up away?.

Without knowing more, I can't say it would completely take away "range anxiety", but it absolutely would make the vehicle a better fit for what I use my vehicles for, AND a 700 mile range would be an advantage over my current Explorer with the 400 mile range before a need for refueling.

There are two folks on here who CAN NOT understand the difference between "want to stop" and "have to stop". My wife and I regularly drive 600-700 miles in a day, and in either of our current vehicles, that means we HAVE to stop once during the day. It would definitely be a selling point if a vehicle eliminated that. I know there are some diesel trucks out there today with that much range, but they don't fit the rest of our needs very well.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

Nothing is free. Those costs are passed onto you fellow consumers.

So, you are telling me that < $500 for the electricity per month for 3 to 4 chargers will affect pricing for a business with a $30000 electric bill?
As I pointed out, having a charger is cheap advertising and brings a lot more business than the cost of electricity for the chargers. Every business spends money on marketing. I used to have soup and salad at Panera. Our Panera has no chargers. Greenwise market (whole foods store with dine in) has chargers and sell equally as good soups and salads. I now eat there instead of Panera. Customer gained. I spend like $13 there every WFH day and get like $1 to $2 of free charge.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

So in summary:

EVs don't work well for Cannonball-style road trips. Check.

I disagree. Today's EVs don't work well for ANY style road trip IMO. I just have no interest in hanging around truck stops for literally 2+ HOURS waiting for my car to charge. Even GS admits he spends that amount of time charging in a full day of driving.

EVs don't work well for people with nightmare commutes. Check.

Agreed.

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by LATB

But they keep winning elections, hmmmm....

It's a mystery...can't imagine how they do it....

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

It just happens that gas cars are 10 times more likely to catch fire.

Link to actual data that says that please. If it's not a rate it's an invalid statistic for comparison.