For the South it is personal

[BADRACR1]

Finally had enough of this BS that I have to say something, I'd like to offer you a slightly different perspective here. For you who don't know I grew up and live in Chattanooga,TN a city considered to be the" Gateway to the Deep South" during the Civil War as well as a important Railway center and River port. A town where some of the bloodiest fighting of the war took place, living here I have walked these battlefields: Lookout Mountain, Missionary Ridge, Chickamauga and others, many times at different stages of my life. Each time I do I stop and read the monuments, all these battlefields have monuments to men on both side of the struggle.. As I looked on these monuments I have always seen them as memorials to brave Americans who believed in their cause enough to lay down their lives. Men who spent 4 years in service under some of the harshest conditions imaginable, fighting members of your own family or friends you have known all your lives. This is conviction we as Americans should be proud of. Let me state all wars are their own particular hells but to me the Civil War is the darkest time we have faced as a nation. As we fight over these monuments we seem to have forgotten the lessons they are meant to teach us. We seem more determined to repeat the mistakes of the past and tearing the country apart for a second time. All races, all religions, all sexes have strengths and weaknesses as much as these are memorials of the bravery, sacrifice, and conviction, they are reminders of the fallacy of humans and the costs of stupidity.

The above was written by a friend, John Hutcheson. I don't think most of the people who are pitching a fit about the Confederate monuments live where this struggle took place. For the South it is personal. We were the ones invaded. It was our homes, farms, cities, and families that were destroyed.
There are monuments here to Northern generals, soldiers, and stands as well and we lived with them growing up as a constant reminder of the death and losses inflicted on us. Did we cry and moan about it? Whine about how unfair it was and how are feelings were hurt? No. These were monuments to brave men on both sides who gave their lives for the causes they believed in. They were testaments to the past and should be used for what they were intended: to teach future generations about events and men who helped shape the history of our country.
Grow up, people. If your "feelings " are hurt by something that you see or read then you have other issues. Get help. Trying to erase the past never works.

[Mike Mercury]

if they really want to end all past vestiges of racism... then the dismantling of the Democrat party should be next.

Well; unless it's not really about erasing the past.

[onedef92]

Where does it end? Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants George Washington's statue gone, and wants Washington’s name removed from the park.

Last night, a black pastor on "Tucker Carson Tonight" said he wants the name of our nation's capital changed to "something else." What else? Who will put the brakes on all this "brave new world" ethos?

It won't end well....

Chicago Pastor Wants George Washington’s Statue And Name Removed From South Side Park – The Millennium Report

[snide]

The White House was built by slaves. Should that be torn down too?

[04 commemorative]

Time to grow up people

[DAB]

Originally Posted by onedef92

Where does it end? Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants George Washington's statue gone, and wants Washington’s name removed from the park.

Last night, a black pastor on "Tucker Carson Tonight" said he wants the name of our nation's capital changed to "something else." What else? Who will put the brakes on all this "brave new world" ethos?

It won't end well....

Chicago Pastor Wants George Washington’s Statue And Name Removed From South Side Park – The Millennium Report

pick anyone from history, or present day, and you can find fault in their life. some have large, publicly known faults, others keep their's well hidden, but with some digging, you can find something.

so as i commented during the primary, if you are looking to vote for a sinless saint, you'll have to stay home this election. everyone has faults. no one is pure.

but some have contributed more than they have subtracted from society, and they have reached levels of trust and accomplishment that most have not.

do you recall that Washington fessed up to chopping down the cherry tree? and yet, he was not locked away forever.

throw a cat into the congress, whomever it hits, i guarantee that you can find fault with that person. and everyone standing nearby.

so what do we do?

we admit that we are not a perfect country, but we also celebrate that we have built in ways to make it more perfect. but do we have the will to do so? that is the question that remains to be answered.

will be exist in a continual state of strife and hate, or will we lay down our arms and unite around a common goal?

you can play a part in this: start at home. love your family. then go next door, love your neighbor as yourself. wash, rinse, repeat.

[VatorMan]

The first thing that needs to happen is if you have a peaceful protest about a volatile subject and some skinhead nazi shows up, chase his stupid ass off. I believe we are all moderates (for the most part) here. Everyone knows how the media loves extreme fringe people.
Nazi loving white rednecks are no different than ISIS. If moderate Southern people don't say anything or reject them-BY FORCE. They are no different than moderate muslims.

[Milton Fox]

Are you forgetting that this is America. The "bad guy" were expressing their opinion - which is there right if I remember correctly. (I dont agree with their view point.) The "good" people were suppposed to be in two other places. The bad guys were approached and attacked by the "good guys" where the "bod guys" had agreed to be gathered to voice their opinion.

If you cant see the problem here then you are part of the problem.

African born slaves were captured by other African tribes and sold to other people who then sold them to other countries around the world. Slavery has always been a part of the African (European and Asian) continents. And the Indians of North American did the same thing.

That is where the truth lies.

We have allowed people to speak their voice and minds freely. Capitulated to their wants. Now a minority view point (wrong though there messae is) wants to speak and that right isnt good enough for them anymore, because there were slaves in the South.

Is that the inconvient truth of today.

It should be our America - not your America. Y cant that happen?

[DAB]

slavery has been around a long, long time.

it was not invented in Africa.

want a little history?

go back to the Bible, the Old Testament. It first starts in Genesis, with Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers (all Hebrews) to Egyptians.

eventually, all the Jews were enslaved in Egypt, and were only set free due to the pleadings of Moses.

Go a little further in the OT and we find that the Jews had their own slaves from among themselves and from conquered countries around them.

But slavery was not always viewed negatively then. some slaves loved their masters, and after 7 years of service, the law said you had to set your slave free. but if the slave wanted to serve his master for all his life, he could do so. he had his ear pierced by his master as a sign of that.

so this is not something invented in the last 400 years.

fast forward to the New Testament, the Romans had all kinds of slaves. some were good masters, some not. some took good care of their slaves, gave them food, housing, and employed them in all manner of endeavors.

For those who like to hang their politics off the Bible, the Bible never says anything against the idea of slavery. It is silent on that.

And to a degree, even today, if you depend on your job to feed yourself and your family, you are dependant on your employer. he doesn't own you as personal property, but you still depend on his good graces to keep the checks coming on a regular basis.

So if you want to speak about slavery, speak from a basis of knowledge grounded in history, not just emotion about the color of someone else's skin.

No one in America owns any slaves anymore. There are no slaves.

but if you are stuck fighting a battle that was won 150 years ago, or 50 years ago, it's time to move on with your fight. no one is stopping you from doing whatever you want to do except yourself.

end of sermon.

[BADRACR1]

[QUOTE=Milton Fox;1578965]Are you forgetting that this is America. The "bad guy" were expressing their opinion - which is there right if I remember correctly. (I dont agree with their view point.) The "good" people were suppposed to be in two other places. The bad guys were approached and attacked by the "good guys" where the "bod guys" had agreed to be gathered to voice their opinion.

If you cant see the problem here then you are part of the problem./QUOTE]

Yep. And the problem is one side sees no fault in their actions.

[snide]

Originally Posted by DAB

slavery has been around a long, long time.

it was not invented in Africa.

want a little history?

go back to the Bible, the Old Testament. It first starts in Genesis, with Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers (all Hebrews) to Egyptians.

If mankind started with Adam and Eve, where did the Egyptians come from?

[DAB]

Originally Posted by snide

If mankind started with Adam and Eve, where did the Egyptians come from?

the sons of Noah - Shem, Ham, Japeth

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by snide

If mankind started with Adam and Eve, where did the Egyptians come from?

They rode a few T-Rex's from Africa.

[snide]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

They rode a few T-Rex's from Africa.

That's not a T-Rex, but close enough.

[snide]

Originally Posted by DAB

the sons of Noah - Shem, Ham, Japeth

3 boys started their own country? How did they populate their country, if they were 3 men?

[DAB]

Originally Posted by snide

3 boys started their own country? How did they populate their country, if they were 3 men?

and they had wives. and they had children who had more children, and they dispersed through out the world after the confusion of languages at the tower of babel......

take an evening, read Genesis, it's all there.

[SilverBullitt]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

The first thing that needs to happen is if you have a peaceful protest about a volatile subject and some skinhead nazi shows up, chase his stupid ass off. I believe we are all moderates (for the most part) here. Everyone knows how the media loves extreme fringe people.
Nazi loving white rednecks are no different than ISIS. If moderate Southern people don't say anything or reject them-BY FORCE. They are no different than moderate muslims.

What about the antifa fools? They are just like ISIS...insisting on revising history by tearing down any reminders of the past. If moderate liberals (if there is such a thing) don't say anything or reject them- BY FORCE, they are no different then moderate muslims (if there is such a thing) either.

I'm sure you meant to call them out, too, but only had time to type up the part about rednecks.

[boracayjohnny]

Backing up and looking at the situation, the statues are just an excuse. The true reason is to create chaos and division. The non-physical ways have not worked so the next step is demonstrations with an opportunity to lay blame. Find who is behind the manipulations and eliminate them. Who "They" are remains the question currently thrown around that stops with two groups; Soros and the Clintons. But wtf do I know, I'm just one asshole with an opinion that reads and watches.

[DAB]

all these groups weren't too worked up about these things 9 months ago under Obama.

the memorials didn't get bigger, they didn't breed overnight, they haven't gone anywhere.

so what changed???

[snide]

Originally Posted by DAB

all these groups weren't too worked up about these things 9 months ago under Obama.

the memorials didn't get bigger, they didn't breed overnight, they haven't gone anywhere.

so what changed???

The pussy grabber won the presidency. The bastard!