Is This Legal?

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

Actually, it has.

Yes, I suppose I am nicer than Joecooool.

But only a tad nicer.

[mrvette]

Oh horseshit, JeoCool not really banned, is he???

[LATB]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Could someone deny these people entry onto their property until it has been verified they are whom they say they are?

Yes

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Ok back on topic.

Could someone deny these people entry onto their property until it has been verified they are whom they say they are?

In today's world how hard would it be to pose as some crew saying you have work to be done so one can get into another person's property? Seems like a pretty easy scam to run.

If I see anyone anywhere on my property - I will approach them and calmly ask who they are - and what they're doing. I do this even if they are wearing uniforms & hardhats. Get close enough to asses the situation.

If the workers walk on private property to reach an easement... they are trespassing. There's no legal get-around on that. This is why they are required to ask permission when using this shortcut method.

Also, if they enter the easement legally (no matter how far away the entrance of the easement is - in relation to where they need to perform the work)... and then stay within the boundries of the easement at all times... they don't need to knock on door; and probably won't. No permission is needed. But even then - you still should go to where they are and get a feel for what they are doing.

[LATB]

None of these easement encroachment issues would exist if the government hadn't stole the easements from the developer. As I noted in post #21.

[Bill]

I realize things are a little different when we are talking about a house in a subdivision, and a guy walks up with no trucks or equipment visible, but I always get a laugh when a landowner challenges one of our crews. When we roll up, we've got either tractors and mowers, a tree mulcher, a jaraffe, or some combo.

"What are you doing here?"

Must resist the urge to say something smart ass, like, we are Al-Quaeda rebels, and we are here to bring down the country by mowing the pipeline easement that runs through your property. If you had kept that easement cleared, you could have saved the country, but since you didn't we are here to kill you.

WTF do you think we are here to do with that kind of equipment?

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

None of these easement encroachment issues would exist if the government hadn't stole the easements from the developer. As I noted in post #21.

You want electric service from the local electric utility? OK, in order to have that service, you have to agree to allow the utility to access your property, unless you choose to have your meter placed on the edge of your property, rather than mounted to the side of your house like most every one I have ever seen is. And that's probably no problem if you want to custom build, but then if there is a problem with your drop (the wires you own coming from the meter to the house), it's all your problem. Tree falls down and leaves you without power? Hope you know a good tree service, because that cost is on you, not the electric company. Same with the gas service. The pipe from the meter to the house is yours. If it leaks, hope you know a good plumber, because that's your problem, not the gas company's problem.

You want the benefit, but you don't want the downside (workers having to access your property? Hey, I'd just like desert, but I don't want to eat the lima beans.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

You want electric service from the local electric utility? OK, in order to have that service, you have to agree to allow the utility to access your property, unless you choose to have your meter placed on the edge of your property, rather than mounted to the side of your house like most every one I have ever seen is. And that's probably no problem if you want to custom build, but then if there is a problem with your drop (the wires you own coming from the meter to the house), it's all your problem. Tree falls down and leaves you without power? Hope you know a good tree service, because that cost is on you, not the electric company. Same with the gas service. The pipe from the meter to the house is yours. If it leaks, hope you know a good plumber, because that's your problem, not the gas company's problem.

You want the benefit, but you don't want the downside (workers having to access your property? Hey, I'd just like desert, but I don't want to eat the lima beans.

You either did not read or did not understand my point and simplified explanation.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by TxAg

And if that property owner (you know something libertarians are big on supposedly) has zero knowledge of what is going on, IMHO, he has every God given right to ask who you are, what you are doing and validate it.

Oh, I totally agree that they have a right to know what you are doing there. Our guys are always polite and forthcoming about what they are doing and why they are there. I just think its funny, because they are asking a question they already know the answer to, or SHOULD already know the answer to. Even if they just bought the property, they should know that that property is encumbered by a ppl easement.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

You either did not read or did not understand my point and simplified explanation.

I guess not. What difference does it make who actually "owns" the easement. The homeowner still owns the land, and still must suffer with people associated with whatever utility needing access to that easement.

What difference does it make to the homeowner whether the developer has been cut out of residual income or not?

[Bill]

Here's a little mind blower for you guys.

Say utility workers are on the easement. They have to trespass on your property off-easement to go to your house/barn/wherever you are to notify you that they are there and what they are doing. In many cases that means they are approaching from the BACK of the property, not up the driveway from the street. To give you the respect you deserve, they have to violate your private property rights.

Common sense solves most of these issues.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I guess not. What difference does it make who actually "owns" the easement. The homeowner still owns the land, and still must suffer with people associated with whatever utility needing access to that easement.

What difference does it make to the homeowner whether the developer has been cut out of residual income or not?

Utility companies used to access the "easement" through a paved alley. No need to access the owners property unless there is a problem with the drop.
A meter reader is a different issue. My pops house used to have the meter inside in the basement. On meter read day, we'd leave the basement door open so the reader could come inside to read it.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

Utility companies used to access the "easement" through a paved alley. No need to access the owners property unless there is a problem with the drop.
A meter reader is a different issue. My pops house used to have the meter inside in the basement. On meter read day, we'd leave the basement door open so the reader could come inside to read it.

I get it now.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Not on it and never will be.

You're more or less hiding his D with your face. Gross, man.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

You either did not read or did not understand my point and simplified explanation.

exactly.

Sounds like a "we don't have to respect private property laws. I always get a clown who approaches us and..."

Let me tell you this; you trespass on my property; you will see me face-to-face, and I have zero hesitation to call the police. This will stop your workday - dead in its tracks; it will turn out to be a zero production day for you and your crew.

Don't want this hassle ? It's this simple; If you want to have a work day go smoothly & flawless... don't ridicule private propertry owners. Show proper respect by knocking and obtaining permission before going outside any easement path.

[Madmikeee]

Originally Posted by Kerrmudgeon

I can see the electric co needing and having an easement, but VERIZON! No way should they be able to trespass on your property without your permission. I'd raise shit. Send them a bill or do a trade off for free service.

The County/State/City OWN the poles, Verizon etc have contracts to be able to access the poles through the County/City/State. They have every right. Although a courtesy call letting you know would have been nice.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Drew M

You're more or less hiding his D with your face. Gross, man.

If anyone is slobbering all over Joecooool's sorry liberal dick, it's YOU.

You defend him every chance you get.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Madmikeee

The County/State/City OWN the poles, Verizon etc have contracts to be able to access the poles through the County/City/State. They have every right. Although a courtesy call letting you know would have been nice.

Actually, the utility company (power company) owns the poles. And correct, the utility co. leases access to the other providers (cable and tele)

[snide]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

No, just common sense. But since you have to be an asshole in every thread I participate in, here you go.

There is no common sense in Texas.

[Nemesis]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

If anyone is slobbering all over Joecooool's sorry liberal dick, it's YOU.

You defend him every chance you get.

lol keep dreaming, gay boyyy