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Old 05-29-2020, 10:29pm   #81
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Another point.

9 months from now when the trial happens and the officer gets a slap on the wrist no one will care.
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9 months from now when the trial happens and the officer gets a slap on the wrist no one will care.
That or more riots.
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That or more looting.
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How can it be prevented????? First thing is to have enough of a force present that can quickly stop it. Second is to arrest and jail those that destroy property. Third is to fine and sentence those arrested. Finally, those flaming the fire like AOC, The muslems daughter, Maxine Waters, Al and Jesse, Moore and the like need to be arrested for inciting a riot. If they feel pain for their inappropriate behavior they will change their way. Remember dad's belt?
Ok, I’ll buy that. For the first part of your commentary, I say money money money. Who’s gonna pay for all that in these austere times or any time. For the second part, I say vote vote vote. You don’t like someone who’s supposed to represent your views, get their ass out of office.

Easy to say. Change on this scale is hard. Praying might help. Or not.

I experienced dad’s belt one time. It’s a strong motivator.
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I feel like I cannot stress this enough so I will make sure it cannot be missed...

The guy did not deserve to be killed. <<< Pay attention to this <<<<<<
The guy did not deserve to be killed. <<< Pay attention to this <<<<<<
The guy did not deserve to be killed. <<< Pay attention to this <<<<<<
The guy did not deserve to be killed. <<< Pay attention to this <<<<<<
The guy did not deserve to be killed. <<< Pay attention to this <<<<<<

However, I will apply the same logic the mask people use and say "Even if it helps a LITTLE BIT" you can avoid being killed by the police...

By not committing a crime. It's no guarantee...but even if it helps a LITTLE to keep you alive...DON'T BREAK THE LAW !!

If you GENUINELY feel "hunted", "singled out", "persecuted", whatever as a person or as a race, I would think the LAST thing you would do is break the law and give the police a REASON to cross your path.


Example:

In the US, I might be tempted to push the speed limit, I might take a short cut through a gas station, I might drive past the expiration on my tags...

Now put me in North Korea and HELL NO. Why? Because I don't want to be in a North Korean jail.

If minorities applied this same logic 50 years ago, don't you think by now, they would no longer be like fishing in a barrel? Racial profiling works...because IT WORKS !!

Break that system and you break the system. Meaning, after 5,000,000 stops with no drugs found, no weapons found, no stolen merchandise found, the profiling will stop because it DOESN'T WORK !

Well that group proves out the validity of the writings in the Bell Curve!
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OK, the former cop was charged with 3rd degree murder. Why not second degree murder?
I'm a little rusty on my murder definitions, but without doing a search, I believe first degree murder is when you premeditated the murder, and went again and killed the person. Second degree is when there was no pre-meditation, but you did intend to kill the person when you did. Third degree was you weren't necessarily intending to kill the person when you killed them.

It's hard to prove someone's intent, although is can be done. I'm guessing the prosecutor thinks it is unlikely he will be able to prove intent, but easy to prove that the cop didn't really care much if the perp died, so third degree looks like a lay-up.

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Are the other three going to be charged too?
I would guess they will all be charged with something. If you are my partner, how long are you going to stand there listening to a guy saying he can't breathe before you say "Hey Mick, how about you get your knee off that asshole's neck?". After a few minutes, if you still haven't said anything, I'm thinking that something like negligence at the very least comes into play.
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How can it be prevented????? First thing is to have enough of a force present that can quickly stop it. Second is to arrest and jail those that destroy property. Third is to fine and sentence those arrested. Finally, those flaming the fire like AOC, The muslems daughter, Maxine Waters, Al and Jesse, Moore and the like need to be arrested for inciting a riot. If they feel pain for their inappropriate behavior they will change their way. Remember dad's belt?
Having worked in the inner city, I have seen the culture that these kids are birthed into. Honestly very few have a fighting chance.

Most of the babies will never know their father, either due to the fact mother has no idea which guy she was banging is the dad or dad is dead or in prison.

My upbringing was perfection compared to what these kids see. They have it engrained in then from an infant that to be successful is to have street cred. There is absolutely no value given to getting an education, being successful or escaping the hood.

We can debate on another thread where this all started IMOJohnson's "war on poverty" and handouts to unmarried mothers, when black men were encouraged not to be in the home. Prior to that, single parent white families were more common than single parent black families.

Until their "at home culture" changes, and what they value as a community makes an abrupt about face, I don't see things getting any better for them.

Cannot count the times I wanted to take some of those kids home with me, before their home life destroyed their potential to become someone that would contribute to society.

I know- personal accountability and all, but I have seen with my own eyes, these kids are beaten down and lose all sense of their potential, beginning in infancy.
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Always look at the root cause.


1. Individuals are the only ones responsible for their actions. Period.

2. What started this chain of events?

Crime. An individual choice.

To ignore that is to ignore the only problem that needs to be solved.

Stop breaking the ****ing law.
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Having worked in the inner city, I have seen the culture that these kids are birthed into. Honestly very few have a fighting chance.



Most of the babies will never know their father, either due to the fact mother has no idea which guy she was banging is the dad or dad is dead or in prison.



My upbringing was perfection compared to what these kids see. They have it engrained in then from an infant that to be successful is to have street cred. There is absolutely no value given to getting an education, being successful or escaping the hood.



We can debate on another thread where this all started IMOJohnson's "war on poverty" and handouts to unmarried mothers, when black men were encouraged not to be in the home. Prior to that, single parent white families were more common than single parent black families.



Until their "at home culture" changes, and what they value as a community makes an abrupt about face, I don't see things getting any better for them.



Cannot count the times I wanted to take some of those kids home with me, before their home life destroyed their potential to become someone that would contribute to society.



I know- personal accountability and all, but I have seen with my own eyes, these kids are beaten down and lose all sense of their potential, beginning in infancy.
Sorry disagree.

I came from a single parent, eventual physically abusive step father, trailer park childhood from 8 until 15.

Left Dad's home at 17 after getting kicked out of Mom's house at 15 with a single bag to join the Army.

No white privilege, no help from anyone. In fact the military still uses racial quotas for promotion and I have no doubt I was not promoted because of it.

I earned this and will continue to do so because I choose to do so.

All the time hood, bario, trailer park types make it out and succeed without "good" parenting.

Hell my own father told me all the way up to the age of 30 I wasn't the "college" type.

I am now in the middle of my Masters degree.


Society needs to stop the boo hooing bullshit and recycling the narrative that youth of any color doesn't have a chance.
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Having worked in the inner city, I have seen the culture that these kids are birthed into. Honestly very few have a fighting chance.

Most of the babies will never know their father, either due to the fact mother has no idea which guy she was banging is the dad or dad is dead or in prison.

My upbringing was perfection compared to what these kids see. They have it engrained in then from an infant that to be successful is to have street cred. There is absolutely no value given to getting an education, being successful or escaping the hood.

We can debate on another thread where this all started IMOJohnson's "war on poverty" and handouts to unmarried mothers, when black men were encouraged not to be in the home. Prior to that, single parent white families were more common than single parent black families.

Until their "at home culture" changes, and what they value as a community makes an abrupt about face, I don't see things getting any better for them.

Cannot count the times I wanted to take some of those kids home with me, before their home life destroyed their potential to become someone that would contribute to society.

I know- personal accountability and all, but I have seen with my own eyes, these kids are beaten down and lose all sense of their potential, beginning in infancy.
My upbringing!

As I lived/grew up in a peaceful racially mixed neighbor hood and in fact graduated from a deep in the ghetto predominately black high school mid 60s I know what I have seen and experienced. Many were married, had a husband living in the house, many went to school to actually learn, had jobs.

Things were doing all right for the blacks then sure there was racism, (on both sides) but compared to today much better. (More recently after obunghole set back race relations decades, things went farther downhill fast!)

Th antics of LBJ giving blacks just about ever phucking thing they wanted for votes and MLK running all over stirring things up were the straws that broke the camels back way back then!

The Johnny come latelys can post all the bullshit they want I was there (age 74 now) and lived it!
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Having worked in the inner city, I have seen the culture that these kids are birthed into. Honestly very few have a fighting chance.

Most of the babies will never know their father, either due to the fact mother has no idea which guy she was banging is the dad or dad is dead or in prison.

My upbringing was perfection compared to what these kids see. They have it engrained in then from an infant that to be successful is to have street cred. There is absolutely no value given to getting an education, being successful or escaping the hood.

We can debate on another thread where this all started IMOJohnson's "war on poverty" and handouts to unmarried mothers, when black men were encouraged not to be in the home. Prior to that, single parent white families were more common than single parent black families.

Until their "at home culture" changes, and what they value as a community makes an abrupt about face, I don't see things getting any better for them.

Cannot count the times I wanted to take some of those kids home with me, before their home life destroyed their potential to become someone that would contribute to society.

I know- personal accountability and all, but I have seen with my own eyes, these kids are beaten down and lose all sense of their potential, beginning in infancy.
Hard to ingrain right from wrong when so many grow up learning wrong is right. Too few are brought up with actual morals and fewer are actually fortunate enough to escape the hood.

Change on this scale is hard. Praying might help. Or not. I swear to God, it’s Armageddon.
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Sorry disagree.

I came from a single parent, eventual physically abusive step father, trailer park childhood from 8 until 15.

Left Dad's home at 17 after getting kicked out of Mom's house at 15 with a single bag to join the Army.

No white privilege, no help from anyone. In fact the military still uses racial quotas for promotion and I have no doubt I was not promoted because of it.

I earned this and will continue to do so because I choose to do so.

All the time hood, bario, trailer park types make it out and succeed without "good" parenting.

Hell my own father told me all the way up to the age of 30 I wasn't the "college" type.

I am now in the middle of my Masters degree.


Society needs to stop the boo hooing bullshit and recycling the narrative that youth of any color doesn't have a chance.
You are not wrong, and as I stated, personal accountability ultimately..... BUT.

Statistically speaking, how many escape their chitty upbringing??

Just stating the facts, that parental and cultural input goes a LONG way. If you think environment has little to nothing to do with the choices they make, you are mistaken.

I in no way am making an excuse for breaking the law or being a POS, just pointing out logic for how their entire culture has devolved to this point over the last 50 years.

Indians built casinos and take lots of $$ from white folk, Asian communities have done well despite significant prejudices towards them, why has the black community not done the same and become the highest crime/incarceration #'s of all? Nature vs nurture?
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Hard to ingrain right from wrong when so many grow up learning wrong is right. Too few are brought up with actual morals and fewer are actually fortunate enough to escape the hood.

Change on this scale is hard. Praying might help. Or not. I swear to God, it’s Armageddon.
Inner city truly become kill or be killed. Succeeding is not part of their lifestyle, surviving is #1 priority.


They are their own worst enemy.
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Sorry disagree.

I came from a single parent, eventual physically abusive step father, trailer park childhood from 8 until 15.

Left Dad's home at 17 after getting kicked out of Mom's house at 15 with a single bag to join the Army.

No white privilege, no help from anyone. In fact the military still uses racial quotas for promotion and I have no doubt I was not promoted because of it.

I earned this and will continue to do so because I choose to do so.

All the time hood, bario, trailer park types make it out and succeed without "good" parenting.

Hell my own father told me all the way up to the age of 30 I wasn't the "college" type.

I am now in the middle of my Masters degree.


Society needs to stop the boo hooing bullshit and recycling the narrative that youth of any color doesn't have a chance.
Good for you. Seriously. You are lucky and level headed and smart.

I don’t know about people making it out of the hood “all the time”. Wasn’t easy for you, was it. Lot of people choose easy. And end up dead before their time.

Of course hood rats have a chance. A small one. How many people you grew up with live in that same trailer park.
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I grew up on the pull out couch of a double wide... largest trailer in the park!
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I grew up on the pull out couch of a double wide... largest trailer in the park!
Trailer park does not equate to inner city.


Lots of peeps on my Mom’s side live in trailer parks. Hard working salt of the earth people, like them better than many of the wealthy a holes I’ve had the displeasure of meeting.
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Stikki given em hell in PR&C!
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The Montucky state police have kept their eye on the one black person that lives in Montucky. He threatened to throw a rock through Bill and Edna's feed store in Deer Lodge Montucky in protest of George Floyd.
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I grew up on the pull out couch of a double wide... largest trailer in the park!




Pull out couch of a double wide > Iron Maiden > Living in a Mansion next door to Porter
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