How can this be?

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Torqaholic

Saw an article debating which property to take in order to do the most damage to him possible.

I just don't know when the insanity stops; 1/2 billion for opinions on a mortgage application and nobody was defrauded - I can't believe there isn't an appeal route and what happened to "cruel and unusual" punishment ?

I've quit reading a lot of the lawfare news; its such blatant persecution of one man its criminal. And you should look at a video montage of all the times that James b1tch campaigned on "get Trump".

But yeah, who is going to loan 1/2 billion to a person that an entire government machines are trying to destroy.?

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Clever, but this "criminal theory" could be used against anyone who has ever bought a house and obtained a mortgage. It's frightening.

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

I mean it's like not buying and apple from a guy who has been your close personal best friend since preschool. Trumps financial credibility is in the toilet and the world of finance can see this.

His latest verifiable rants are a bloodbath if he is not elected which is a direct threat to our democracy. A term used to intimidate and threaten voters.

Then he wants to pardon all those convicted in Jan 6 and prosecute those who put them in jail

This fkn guy has been his own worst enemy and then blames his mouth on a witch hunt or the history of our country bs. Trump is a douchebag, a moron!

This crap got him in the first time around, didn't work the 2nd time and everyone is on to his emotional detachment this time.

I'm waiting for him to announce all rapists, murderers, and the rest of them "in the history of our country" will be pardoned and will prosecute all those who put them there.

He has brought all his troubles on himself. His past is now demanding accountability and not much if anything he can do about it. He has been and still is a very poor businessman.

Why some of you can't see this I'll never know. To elect a person that you will allow to come into your home and tell you who, what, where, when, why and how with your life and family.

This is what Dictatorship is all about.


BN2L, he's fragile

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

Where, exactly, did he cheat the government? The lenders who gave him the loans didn't sue him. He repaid the loans in full. Where is the $500M damage to the NY state government or citizens?

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

I mean it's like not buying and apple from a guy who has been your close personal best friend since preschool. Trumps financial credibility is in the toilet and the world of finance can see this.

His latest verifiable rants are a bloodbath if he is not elected which is a direct threat to our democracy. A term used to intimidate and threaten voters.

Then he wants to pardon all those convicted in Jan 6 and prosecute those who put them in jail

This fkn guy has been his own worst enemy and then blames his mouth on a witch hunt or the history of our country bs. Trump is a douchebag, a moron!

This crap got him in the first time around, didn't work the 2nd time and everyone is on to his emotional detachment this time.

I'm waiting for him to announce all rapists, murderers, and the rest of them "in the history of our country" will be pardoned and will prosecute all those who put them there.

He has brought all his troubles on himself. His past is now demanding accountability and not much if anything he can do about it. He has been and still is a very poor businessman.

Why some of you can't see this I'll never know. To elect a person that you will allow to come into your home and tell you who, what, where, when, why and how with your life and family.

This is what Dictatorship is all about.


BN2L, he's fragile

I wish you the very best in your final days,,,

[LATB]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

I mean it's like not buying and apple from a guy who has been your close personal best friend since preschool. Trumps financial credibility is in the toilet and the world of finance can see this.

His latest verifiable rants are a bloodbath if he is not elected which is a direct threat to our democracy. A term used to intimidate and threaten voters.

Then he wants to pardon all those convicted in Jan 6 and prosecute those who put them in jail

This fkn guy has been his own worst enemy and then blames his mouth on a witch hunt or the history of our country bs. Trump is a douchebag, a moron!

This crap got him in the first time around, didn't work the 2nd time and everyone is on to his emotional detachment this time.

I'm waiting for him to announce all rapists, murderers, and the rest of them "in the history of our country" will be pardoned and will prosecute all those who put them there.

He has brought all his troubles on himself. His past is now demanding accountability and not much if anything he can do about it. He has been and still is a very poor businessman.

Why some of you can't see this I'll never know. To elect a person that you will allow to come into your home and tell you who, what, where, when, why and how with your life and family.

This is what Dictatorship is all about.


BN2L, he's fragile

You are probably the dumbest mother flocker on this forum. At one point it was funny but it is now sad that someone can be this mindless and believe every ounce of propaganda that comes his way.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by LATB

You are probably the dumbest mother flocker on this forum. At one point it was funny but it is now sad that someone can be this mindless and believe every ounce of propaganda that comes his way.

Try to estimate the number of dents in the back of the throat for someone who has swallowed all the msm BS since 2015.

The recent 'Bloodbath' hoax is yet another example of libidiots not being able to view a speech and decide for themselves.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

The recent 'Bloodbath' hoax is yet another example of libidiots not being able to view a speech and decide for themselves.

No, it's evidence of how hard the media is trying to ensure Trump doesn't win. They will stop at nothing in that quest.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

No, it's evidence of how hard the media is trying to ensure Trump doesn't win. They will stop at nothing in that quest.

Lenin & Stalin would be so proud!

[BRUIZER]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Maybe lenders don't want to become targeted by the criminal Biden?

This!
It's the kind of devious chit commies do.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

When you're that wealthy most of it is tied up to make more. It's not sitting in a bank account. And selling large assets takes time; rushing it will only decrease its value "bigly".

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Exactly correct. Those who think billionaires have 100's of millions in liquid assets are ignorant fools

I don't think of myself as an ignorant fool, and as someone who has actually worked very closely with multiple billionaires over the last decade, I can tell you that most of the ones Ive been associated with could pull 500 million in a matter of hours or days if really needed. Seeing that side of the world and finance is why Im also fairly positive that Trump has grossly overstated his wealth.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

I mean it's like not buying and apple from a guy who has been your close personal best friend since preschool. Trumps financial credibility is in the toilet and the world of finance can see this.

His latest verifiable rants are a bloodbath if he is not elected which is a direct threat to our democracy. A term used to intimidate and threaten voters.

Then he wants to pardon all those convicted in Jan 6 and prosecute those who put them in jail

This fkn guy has been his own worst enemy and then blames his mouth on a witch hunt or the history of our country bs. Trump is a douchebag, a moron!

This crap got him in the first time around, didn't work the 2nd time and everyone is on to his emotional detachment this time.

I'm waiting for him to announce all rapists, murderers, and the rest of them "in the history of our country" will be pardoned and will prosecute all those who put them there.

He has brought all his troubles on himself. His past is now demanding accountability and not much if anything he can do about it. He has been and still is a very poor businessman.

Why some of you can't see this I'll never know. To elect a person that you will allow to come into your home and tell you who, what, where, when, why and how with your life and family.

This is what Dictatorship is all about.


BN2L, he's fragile

I'm trying to understand how NYS, or NYC was cheated out of anything.

What's your best case? Trump overstated the value of his assets and got more money loaned to him than should have been? He got a $ 100 loan, when in fact, he should have gotten a $ 50 loan? OK, let's go with that. How was NYS, or NYC harmed? Exactly. With the $ 100 loan, Trump was able to build a bigger building, which provides MOAR property tax, more income tax, more licensing taxes, etc. than the $ 50 loan would have provided.

Or is your case that Trump overstated the values of his collateral properties to get a lower interest rate on his loans? OK, sure. So Trump again was able to build a better, more heavily taxed building, because he saved on interest payments. And now his business has made MOAR money, so it pays MOAR taxes to NYS and NYC.

Taking either or both allegations as fact, NYS and NYC make more money from Trump, not less.....so again, I'm having trouble finding any victims here.

The banks say they were happy, loans repaid, interest paid, some even paid early. The state and the city, under any theory you want to provide, made more money on Trump's deals.

So again, when did you apply for a mortgage. Let's go back and revisit that, and have your state sue you for misstating the value of the house to your mortgage lender. I'm sure your appraiser and the bank's appraiser differed in their valuations. So let's get you sued for eleventy billion dollars, as a shot across the bow so that people like you know that if they go against the government, they'll be screwed over.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

I don't think of myself as an ignorant fool, and as someone who has actually worked very closely with multiple billionaires over the last decade, I can tell you that most of the ones Ive been associated with could pull 500 million in a matter of hours or days if really needed. Seeing that side of the world and finance is why Im also fairly positive that Trump has grossly overstated his wealth.

There's a difference between someone like Warren Buffet, who has most of his holdings in stocks and bonds. Stocks and bonds can be fairly easily traded, converted to cash.

Trump's business is asset heavy. They own buildings, golf courses, and things that can't easily just be liquidated for cash. And at this time, I can't imagine real estate in NYC commanding any kind of decent price, even if a buyer could be found. People are fleeing the shithole NYC has turned into. Would you invest in Baltimore, or Detroit? I mean, you might, but you'd be looking to buy property at fire sale prices and hope to gentrify an area or two.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

[B]I'm trying to understand how NYS, or NYC was cheated out of anything.

The fact is they weren't. The banks testified on behalf of Trump stating they all got paid back.

Gov't reaching into the affairs of a private bank is a serious overreach and should frighten everyone...most are just too dumb to know better.

This whole thing was nothing but a political hit job...or lawfair as the new hot term.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

There's a difference between someone like Warren Buffet, who has most of his holdings in stocks and bonds. Stocks and bonds can be fairly easily traded, converted to cash.

Trump's business is asset heavy. They own buildings, golf courses, and things that can't easily just be liquidated for cash. And at this time, I can't imagine real estate in NYC commanding any kind of decent price, even if a buyer could be found. People are fleeing the shithole NYC has turned into. Would you invest in Baltimore, or Detroit? I mean, you might, but you'd be looking to buy property at fire sale prices and hope to gentrify an area or two.

Agreed on all counts.

The reason Trump released the one year of taxes where he paid $34m was because it was a banner year for him. My guess is other years don't show nearly that much revenue or taxes paid as a result.

Ive always assumed he's asset rich and cash poor(relatively speaking).

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

... its such blatant persecution of one man its criminal...

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

Try to estimate the number of dents in the back of the throat for someone who has swallowed all the msm BS since 2015.

The recent 'Bloodbath' hoax is yet another example of libidiots not being able to view a speech and decide for themselves.

I saw his lengthy text and of course did not read. I would be dumber if I had.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by markids77

He's appealing the decision, no jail time as yet; BUT if he fails to come up with the cash the State can potentially seize real property and liquidate it immediately if I understand the ruling properly.

Fire sale on Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago?

[Vandelay Industries]

Somebody explain why a state lien on his property isn't sufficient here.

Since this is being appealed, the matter is not settled, and therefore seizing and liquidating assets is a permanent solution to what is most likely a temporary situation. I'm having a hard time believing that would be legal and constitutional...but we all know there are different rules that apply to Trump.

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Fire sale on Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago?

What's your opening bid?

[Vandelay Industries]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

Pretty much the same in any normal civil case after a crime such as murder, just on a larger scale. You kill/injure someone and the family comes after your assets

You cheat the government, they come after you. Trump has been demonstrating a continuous high risk for 8 years now. He cannot help himself.

I mean it's like not buying and apple from a guy who has been your close personal best friend since preschool. Trumps financial credibility is in the toilet and the world of finance can see this.

His latest verifiable rants are a bloodbath if he is not elected which is a direct threat to our democracy. A term used to intimidate and threaten voters.

Then he wants to pardon all those convicted in Jan 6 and prosecute those who put them in jail

This fkn guy has been his own worst enemy and then blames his mouth on a witch hunt or the history of our country bs. Trump is a douchebag, a moron!

This crap got him in the first time around, didn't work the 2nd time and everyone is on to his emotional detachment this time.

I'm waiting for him to announce all rapists, murderers, and the rest of them "in the history of our country" will be pardoned and will prosecute all those who put them there.

He has brought all his troubles on himself. His past is now demanding accountability and not much if anything he can do about it. He has been and still is a very poor businessman.

Why some of you can't see this I'll never know. To elect a person that you will allow to come into your home and tell you who, what, where, when, why and how with your life and family.

This is what Dictatorship is all about.


BN2L, he's fragile

I couldn't get all the way though that drivel. It reads like a collaboration between AOC and KJP, only dumber.