Choose your color scheme:
The Vette Barn  
 
Go Back   The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic

Off Topic Off Topic - General non-Corvette related discussion.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Share Thread Tools
Old 01-16-2020, 2:21pm   #1
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default So, I had to fire somebody today.

Helluva day, i tell you. Helluva day. I start off by having to come in late because these new bifocals aren't set right and I needed to have them made with the far/near line set lower. No biggie.

anyway, on my way in I get a message from my full timer that my student tech is waiting for me in the hallway and that he's being fired. No problem. i go in the back door of the office through an access tunnel (this college campus used to be a mall), get everything situated, check my email, and check the jobs in my trouble ticket queue. Nothing, so I step out to find this guy waiting on me.

Asked what's up and he wanted to talk in the Student Worker Hiring Coordinators office with him present. No problem. Kid asks me to state what my issues are with him first and I tell him to speak his mind since he wanted to have this sit down. My god, I haven't heard so much bullshit in such a short period of time since AF2 and Chas were on the forums. I'm also not a fan of micromanagement, doing half the job, and having to retrain the tasks multiple times when the instructions and check list are available int he K-base I keep and update regularly. This kid accused me of expecting too much of a student technician like he should have had 15+ years experience int he field like most of my team does. He had to take the hardware and software basics class here at the college to even get me to look at his resume, but couldn't even plug HDMI cables into the right ports for a 2nd monitor when they were labeled HDMI Out or HDMI In Other things were worse. The final straw happened in a class room and we were having issues at the power outlet. Two computers were next to each other, my full time guy was under the desk messing with wiring and told him specifically which computer to check for signs of life. This kid checks the computer next to it, but has the power cable in his hand...not plugged in. That's when shit hit the fan this morning.

My full time guy was accused of some bad shit and making the work environment more hostile than a Koko thread bragging about the 96 CE PosOTY. And to top it off, the kid sent a scathing email to HR.

I'm not worried about it because I know my team and what lines they won't cross as far as professionalism and common courtesy on the job site goes. it's pretty much he said-he said at this point and I'm absolutely defending my full time employee who WAS this kids supervisor.

so, believe it or not, I didn't tell this kid to STFU and eat a bag of dicks. i wanted too, but didn't instead, my response was, "Well, I need to take a look at some processes in my shop and I don't think it would be mutually beneficial for you to continue your employment with me."

Now let's see what happens because of his HR email. I got to read it and it's honestly about 90% bullshit. The other 10% is nothing to worry about. Went to see my boss about this in so he wouldn't be blindsided in case he got a call from HR, but this kid I fired is going for a law degree after he graduates and nit-picks anything. I'm interested to see what happens, but i think nothing will happen.

/rant

Cliffs: i fired an incompetent student computer technician. He bitched, complained, and wrote email to HR about it that was 90% bullshit. Waiting to see what happens.
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:23pm   #2
z06psi
Barn Stall Owner #∞
Points: 5,306, Level: 49
Activity: 90.0%
 
z06psi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 2,232
Thanks: 223
Thanked 1,537 Times in 784 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $10622
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
Helluva day, i tell you. Helluva day. I start off by having to come in late because these new bifocals aren't set right and I needed to have them made with the far/near line set lower. No biggie.



anyway, on my way in I get a message from my full timer that my student tech is waiting for me in the hallway and that he's being fired. No problem. i go in the back door of the office through an access tunnel (this college campus used to be a mall), get everything situated, check my email, and check the jobs in my trouble ticket queue. Nothing, so I step out to find this guy waiting on me.



Asked what's up and he wanted to talk in the Student Worker Hiring Coordinators office with him present. No problem. Kid asks me to state what my issues are with him first and I tell him to speak his mind since he wanted to have this sit down. My god, I haven't heard so much bullshit in such a short period of time since AF2 and Chas were on the forums. I'm also not a fan of micromanagement, doing half the job, and having to retrain the tasks multiple times when the instructions and check list are available int he K-base I keep and update regularly. This kid accused me of expecting too much of a student technician like he should have had 15+ years experience int he field like most of my team does. He had to take the hardware and software basics class here at the college to even get me to look at his resume, but couldn't even plug HDMI cables into the right ports for a 2nd monitor when they were labeled HDMI Out or HDMI In Other things were worse. The final straw happened in a class room and we were having issues at the power outlet. Two computers were next to each other, my full time guy was under the desk messing with wiring and told him specifically which computer to check for signs of life. This kid checks the computer next to it, but has the power cable in his hand...not plugged in. That's when shit hit the fan this morning.



My full time guy was accused of some bad shit and making the work environment more hostile than a Koko thread bragging about the 96 CE PosOTY. And to top it off, the kid sent a scathing email to HR.



I'm not worried about it because I know my team and what lines they won't cross as far as professionalism and common courtesy on the job site goes. it's pretty much he said-he said at this point and I'm absolutely defending my full time employee who WAS this kids supervisor.



so, believe it or not, I didn't tell this kid to STFU and eat a bag of dicks. i wanted too, but didn't instead, my response was, "Well, I need to take a look at some processes in my shop and I don't think it would be mutually beneficial for you to continue your employment with me."



Now let's see what happens because of his HR email. I got to read it and it's honestly about 90% bullshit. The other 10% is nothing to worry about. Went to see my boss about this in so he wouldn't be blindsided in case he got a call from HR, but this kid I fired is going for a law degree after he graduates and nit-picks anything. I'm interested to see what happens, but i think nothing will happen.



/rant



Cliffs: i fired an incompetent student computer technician. He bitched, complained, and wrote email to HR about it that was 90% bullshit. Waiting to see what happens.
Suck it up buttercup. Part of your paycheck.
z06psi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:25pm   #3
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by z06psi View Post
Suck it up buttercup. Part of your paycheck.
I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:34pm   #4
dvarapala
Barn Stall Owner #1120
Points: 10,223, Level: 69
Activity: 99.3%
 
dvarapala's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tír Na Nóg
Posts: 3,298
Thanks: 744
Thanked 1,814 Times in 1,003 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1013521
Default

Didn't read, but I'm assuming his palms were not turned up.
dvarapala is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dvarapala For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 2:36pm   #5
snide
Barn Raising II,III
NCM Supporter '13
Bantayan Kids '17
Points: 94,687, Level: 100
Activity: 99.5%
 
snide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: I could never live there.
Posts: 59,413
Thanks: 32,264
Thanked 11,816 Times in 6,158 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $114012682
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.
How much of a pay increase are you expecting?
snide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:37pm   #6
snide
Barn Raising II,III
NCM Supporter '13
Bantayan Kids '17
Points: 94,687, Level: 100
Activity: 99.5%
 
snide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: I could never live there.
Posts: 59,413
Thanks: 32,264
Thanked 11,816 Times in 6,158 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $114012682
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
I know that and I'm not worried about it. It's just business to me. Just curious to see what HR does with the email they received.
BTW, I see you got a new keyboard.






snide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:44pm   #7
Egnalf
A Real Barner
Points: 4,066, Level: 42
Activity: 78.4%
 
Egnalf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,206
Thanks: 12
Thanked 1,484 Times in 645 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $6780
Default

fire someone on Christmas eve and get back to me.
Egnalf is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Egnalf For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 2:47pm   #8
bsmith
Bantayan Kids '13
Points: 13,457, Level: 80
Activity: 4.9%
 
bsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 3,349
Thanks: 352
Thanked 768 Times in 437 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2001534
Default

A snowflake college student?
I'm shocked
bsmith is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to bsmith For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 2:52pm   #9
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snide View Post
How much of a pay increase are you expecting?
A big one when I hit the lottery this weekend. Here at work.... probably jsut an increase in work load

Quote:
Originally Posted by snide View Post
BTW, I see you got a new keyboard.



I took the time to pay attention to the spell check this time.
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DJ_Critterus For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 2:53pm   #10
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Egnalf View Post
fire someone on Christmas eve and get back to me.
Was it done in person?
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 2:58pm   #11
Egnalf
A Real Barner
Points: 4,066, Level: 42
Activity: 78.4%
 
Egnalf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,206
Thanks: 12
Thanked 1,484 Times in 645 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $6780
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
Was it done in person?
yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.
Egnalf is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Egnalf For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 3:01pm   #12
FLEXjs
Vette Barn Crew
Points: 2,669, Level: 33
Activity: 52.8%
 
FLEXjs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 759
Thanks: 104
Thanked 754 Times in 334 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $3890
Default

When I fire someone I don't have a discussion with them. What's the point?

You're fired, here's your package from HR. Bye now.
FLEXjs is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to FLEXjs For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 3:07pm   #13
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Egnalf View Post
yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.
Cut right to the chase, honest, and no bullshit. i like your approach.
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 3:14pm   #14
DJ_Critterus
Stall Owner #1120.2520
Points: 59,009, Level: 100
Activity: 99.4%
 
DJ_Critterus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: I enjoy long romantic walks to the fridge.
Posts: 25,719
Thanks: 9,076
Thanked 5,007 Times in 2,825 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $9014854
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLEXjs View Post
When I fire someone I don't have a discussion with them. What's the point?

You're fired, here's your package from HR. Bye now.
I only had the discussion because I wanted to see what he had stated and what was sent to HR. During this discussion i said very little and told him that the reason written on the termination paperwork was accurate and I really don't want to or even have to explain it again.

Taht being said, i don't like having to fire people, but it's nothing personal..Just business. It's part of the job and I have to look out for my job, my other employees' jobs, my mission/requirements of my shop, etc....

when i first took over running the tech support department of this college campus 5+ years ago, nobody would call tech support for help because we were viewed as lazy and incompetent due to the previous crew who was here before me. Things drastically changed within the first month of me here and people noticed. Then as i hired my team it was even more noticeable and staff, admin, and faculty have thrown a fit when they heard my boss planned to rotate me to another campus that wasn't running as smooth. i'm proud of that, and because of how i manage my team/Know my team, I'm absolutely positive any of the acccusations emailed to HR by this kid were complete bullshit. my boss agrees with me unless there is some evidence proving otherwise. i guarantee none exists.

guess I'm just more pissed that I'm having to defend myself, my team, and my shop's reputation becauss some shit bag couldn't handle the job requirements.....at what is almost an entry level position. More like a paid internship that can turn into entry level.
DJ_Critterus is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DJ_Critterus For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 3:16pm   #15
Egnalf
A Real Barner
Points: 4,066, Level: 42
Activity: 78.4%
 
Egnalf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,206
Thanks: 12
Thanked 1,484 Times in 645 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $6780
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
Cut right to the chase, honest, and no bullshit. i like your approach.
I give my employees a lot of latitude to do the right thing. I understand that time to time, everyone has a bad day. When you have a bad day every day and blame others, you are the problem and need to go. At that point, there is no recourse, no redeeming, they just need to go. Why beleaguer the point?
Egnalf is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Egnalf For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 3:25pm   #16
Mick
A Real Barner
Points: 3,040, Level: 35
Activity: 72.7%
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,038
Thanks: 198
Thanked 913 Times in 428 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $4266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Egnalf View Post
yup, called him into my office, had my feet up on the desk and a candy cigar in my moth. Told him I was gonna have to let him go because he was a terrible human.
When I got fired, my boss wasn't quite so cavalier, but it was really a nothing. I knew it was coming, only a matter of when, not if. He actually came to my office, rather than calling me to his, he sat down, and told me it was over, and I was to go see HR for the details on my severance. No bullshit, no arguments, no "discussions". I appreciated his honesty and straight-forwardness.

So I walk to HR on my own, and the lady goes on for literally a half hour about all the wonderful things they are going to do for me, and I was like "WTF? You're firing me, just give me the information on the separation package and let me go home!", but no, I was too much of a ***** to say that. So I sat and listened to her spew the company line, and then I went home. **** 'em.
Mick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 3:45pm   #17
04 commemorative
A Real Barner
Points: 38,900, Level: 100
Activity: 42.4%
 
04 commemorative's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Down the Shore,New Jersey
Posts: 8,929
Thanks: 1,457
Thanked 3,097 Times in 1,672 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $1000993
Default

I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok.
04 commemorative is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 04 commemorative For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 3:58pm   #18
MrPeabody
A Real Barner
Points: 57,563, Level: 100
Activity: 30.7%
 
MrPeabody's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Northern California
Posts: 31,999
Thanks: 12,851
Thanked 10,571 Times in 5,302 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $2210191
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 04 commemorative View Post
I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok.
I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.
MrPeabody is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MrPeabody For This Useful Post:
Old 01-16-2020, 4:05pm   #19
Mick
A Real Barner
Points: 3,040, Level: 35
Activity: 72.7%
 
Mick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 1,038
Thanks: 198
Thanked 913 Times in 428 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $4266
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPeabody View Post
I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.
Although I see your point, I'm not sure I would want to work for a boss that really felt the way that bolded describes.

In that job, I was expected to be an adult, and a professional, so was my boss. Part of that is the idea of "business is business". I know my boss fought to keep as much of his staff employed as long as he could (this was in the Obummer years), but when the end came for someone, it came. The "doing the right thing" part came BEORE the end. Once the end is reached, everyone needs to be a professional about it.

Hopefully the young man that DJ had to fire today will come to understand this as he matures.
Mick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2020, 4:18pm   #20
Egnalf
A Real Barner
Points: 4,066, Level: 42
Activity: 78.4%
 
Egnalf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,206
Thanks: 12
Thanked 1,484 Times in 645 Posts
Gameroom Barn Bucks: $6780
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus View Post
I only had the discussion because I wanted to see what he had stated and what was sent to HR. During this discussion i said very little and told him that the reason written on the termination paperwork was accurate and I really don't want to or even have to explain it again.

Taht being said, i don't like having to fire people, but it's nothing personal..Just business. It's part of the job and I have to look out for my job, my other employees' jobs, my mission/requirements of my shop, etc....

when i first took over running the tech support department of this college campus 5+ years ago, nobody would call tech support for help because we were viewed as lazy and incompetent due to the previous crew who was here before me. Things drastically changed within the first month of me here and people noticed. Then as i hired my team it was even more noticeable and staff, admin, and faculty have thrown a fit when they heard my boss planned to rotate me to another campus that wasn't running as smooth. i'm proud of that, and because of how i manage my team/Know my team, I'm absolutely positive any of the acccusations emailed to HR by this kid were complete bullshit. my boss agrees with me unless there is some evidence proving otherwise. i guarantee none exists.

guess I'm just more pissed that I'm having to defend myself, my team, and my shop's reputation becauss some shit bag couldn't handle the job requirements.....at what is almost an entry level position. More like a paid internship that can turn into entry level.
you miss the whole point. they fired themselves by not acting properly or doing their work correctly. You are just carrying the message.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
When I got fired, my boss wasn't quite so cavalier, but it was really a nothing. I knew it was coming, only a matter of when, not if. He actually came to my office, rather than calling me to his, he sat down, and told me it was over, and I was to go see HR for the details on my severance. No bullshit, no arguments, no "discussions". I appreciated his honesty and straight-forwardness.

So I walk to HR on my own, and the lady goes on for literally a half hour about all the wonderful things they are going to do for me, and I was like "WTF? You're firing me, just give me the information on the separation package and let me go home!", but no, I was too much of a ***** to say that. So I sat and listened to her spew the company line, and then I went home. **** 'em.
downsizing or change in culture? doesn't sound like fired for poor performance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 04 commemorative View Post
I used to hate when we had to fire someone....I always said as long as you never enjoy doing it you're ok.
sometimes, when an employee just gets under your skin intentionally because they think they cant be fired, you get to enjoy it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPeabody View Post
I took a few management courses in college, and this topic came up in my Personnel Management class. The instructor said ideally it should not affect your emotions anymore than getting a cup of coffee. If it really bothers you ore if you really like it, management may not be the job for you.

04, I tend to agree with you on this topic. I think it should bother someone at least enough to start a thread on a car forum about it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick View Post
Although I see your point, I'm not sure I would want to work for a boss that really felt the way that bolded describes.

In that job, I was expected to be an adult, and a professional, so was my boss. Part of that is the idea of "business is business". I know my boss fought to keep as much of his staff employed as long as he could (this was in the Obummer years), but when the end came for someone, it came. The "doing the right thing" part came BEORE the end. Once the end is reached, everyone needs to be a professional about it.

Hopefully the young man that DJ had to fire today will come to understand this as he matures.
I hire skilled building trades guys/union. sometimes they like to play games and know it will lead to them being laid off or fired. Its a completely different game than professional office types. They are grown men, but sometimes act like boys for any number of reasons. Feelings simply aren't part of the equation for most.
Egnalf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

The Vette Barn > Off Topic/Babes/Other > Off Topic


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 9:10pm.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 - 2019 The Vette Barn


Support the Barn:
 
Download the Mobile App;
 
Follow us on Facebook:

Become a Stall Owner

 

Apple iOS App        Google Android App

 

Visit our Facebook page