Just saw this over there...

[stingraymyway]

So tragic and sad.

[carlton_fritz]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Fast Bruce said "I have no respect for someone who kills his wife, HE's A MURDERER!"
Pewter erased that post and posted "apparently a few of you cannot take a hint..."

If you know Fast Bruce's history, he got f'd over big time in a nasty divorce leaving him homeless and broke. He didn't resort to that. He's a genuinely nice guy, from my dealings with him.
Those freakin' cops stick together, even when murder is involved...It makes me sick.

On the bright side, Pewter will be sending us more members.

[StaticCling]

Thread locked over there...

[Broken Wind]

The mistake I see people making is trying to analyze and draw conclusions through a filter of rational, logical thought. You can't do that in the case of someone who has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The inner workings of a mind like that are beyond the reach of normal, rational human beings.

[Jeff '79]

Repo can be a real dick sometimes.
His opinions are just as valid as anyone else's but he resorts to name calling when he disagrees with someone else.
Shame shame.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Broken Wind

The mistake I see people making is trying to analyze and draw conclusions through a filter of rational, logical thought. You can't do that in the case of someone who has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The inner workings of a mind like that are beyond the reach of normal, rational human beings.

Truth be told, there are a lot of whack jobs over there.
My instincts are to stay away from "odd" situations, so I stopped posting over there a few years back.
I have really good instincts, apparently...

[dwjz06]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Truth be told, there are a lot of whack jobs over there.
My instincts are to stay away from "odd" situations, so I stopped posting over there a few years back.


I have really good instincts, apparently...

Maybe not years As most of you allready know Internet Brands Has sold this place... - Corvette Forum

Your history says otherwise

[NEED-A-VETTE]

At this point, everything is speculation. For what it's worth, these are my thoughts...

Originally Posted by Thomas

If your wife decided to bail, why would she be sleeping in your bed? I'm betting it's ALL about money. Period.

Originally Posted by LisaJohn

And her co-workers would have known if she had moved out.

Originally Posted by Thomas

There's that too.

Maybe he was delegated to the couch? Or maybe she knew of his instability and wasn't going to rock the boat by moving out of the bedroom or asking him to do so. Try and keep the peace until she could find a place of her own and move out?

Also, I believe that she was still married/living her abusive (now) ex husband when Dan met her and they began dating. She has a history of not leaving an abusive situation. At least not right away. Not making a judgement here, just pointing out that this seems to be a pattern. So, I'm not surprised that they were still living under the same roof.

Originally Posted by OddBall

If he could kill her; then he never did realize what was most important.

He considered her as property, not as a person.

In the end, she was just something else he accumulated. I believe that he loved her, but she wasn't a person with her own identity...SHE was HIS wife. That's all she was. If she wasn't going to be his wife any longer, well, that was just not acceptable.

I'm sure that worsened as he became more isolated in his retirement AND after he had sold all his other toys. These were the things (in his mind) that defined him, specifically the material things. From his perspective, she was probably all he had left. Now she wants to leave him? No, that wasn't going to happen.

Originally Posted by Thomas

Is this possible? I have no idea. Can you make it into your mid 50's and then become schizophrenic? Wouldn't there be SOME signs through the years?

It's hard to believe that there were absolutely no signs of any mental illness in his everyday life. Many of us identified something a bit 'off' just by his postings...and we had never even met him.

Certainly, it can be made worse by specific stressors. However, I would imagine that it had manifested itself here and there over the years. I suspect that there are probably coworkers, friends and family that have seen or suspected mental illness for much, much longer than the last year.

Originally Posted by bsmith

No.
He met the criteria and took early retirement since he could stay on Priscilla's insurance until medicare.
He forced his former boss into retirement.

Looking back, I now find this very suspect.

He retired 3 years ago at 53? Most public employee pensions will pay something like 90% of your salary - for life - at 33+ years of service, AFTER you pass age 55. Pretty standard...specially only being qualified to collect your full pension (highest percentage of annual salary allowed) after age 55.

He voluntarily retires at just over 30 years of service, just shy of hitting the age of 55? After 30 years, what's another few years of service when it will increase your annual (pension) salary by several thousand per year?

Not to mention that...they had plans on building the new house. Why didn't he participate in the DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Plan) program? Colorado has it. Most officers walk away with hundreds of thousands of dollars (lump payment) at the end of their participation in DROP. That's not an exaggeration. DROP seems like a no-brainer for someone that's thinking about building a new home. Early retirement when you're about to build a new home? That doesn't make any sense.

Stranger things have happened, but the notion that his early retirement came voluntarily just doesn't sit right. It doesn't seem like a logical choice that would be made VOLUNTARILY. Especially when I think about him talking about his conflicts with the (at the time) new Chief of Police.



I never had a problem with Dan. I didn't participated in the pile-on. I actually felt sorry for him, as he seemed to try so hard for validation from others...from strangers. We all do to an extent, I guess, but his was to the extreme. When you are searching so badly for attention and validation from external sources, there's something missing within/at home. I think a lot of us identified that long ago.

While I will not say anything outwardly hostile or disparaging of him, I will also not dismiss what he did: Priscilla went to bed and went to sleep. Whatever was going on in his mind...he sat awake and festered over it. There was no arguing going on. This was no 'heat of the moment' crime. He sat. Thinking. Growing angry and upset about his awful life, whether real or perceived.

What happened next? He went and got his gun, walked to the bedroom, stood over her as she slept, deliberately pointed the gun at her and shot her in the head. AS SHE SLEPT.

He felt he had no future, but killing himself was not going to cut it. He made DAMN sure that she wouldn't have one, either. THAT is reality.

I will not hurl insults or call him names. I will not hope for the damnation of his soul, as others have done. However, I won't be swayed by his apologists, either.

[Don Rickles]

The hypocrisy of so many over there is sickening!

The treatment he received online was, well not very nice IMO! Yes, he was stuck on himself and all the goodies, including his wife. But the relentless beating in my opinion contributed to his decline in mental state!

I'm NOT condoning his final act, but come on.........

REPEAT:Scan the older thread linked here above, read post #64
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[Fastguy]

Well said NAV. I woke up today and this event is the first thing that popped in my head. Definitely making me reflect and see how fortunate I am for my own life.

[stingraymyway]

Originally Posted by Kona92

The hypocrisy of so many over there is sickening!

The treatment he received online was, well not very nice IMO! Yes, he was stuck on himself and all the goodies, including his wife. But the relentless beating in my opinion contributed to his decline in mental state!

I'm NOT condoning his final act, but come on.........

REPEAT:Scan the older thread linked here above, read post #64
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The thing is, cyber bullying can be stopped by doing one thing......stepping away from the computer and staying away from sites that are hostile.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

The treatment he received online was, well not very nice IMO! Yes, he was stuck on himself and all the goodies, including his wife. But the relentless beating in my opinion contributed to his decline in mental state!

I'm gonna challenge this a little. But I'm of relatively sound mind. Relatively.

Yes, sometimes people get beat on when participating in online forums. Sometimes it's warranted, other times maybe not so much. Have I gotten pissed off at some of the comments in this forum? Certainly. To say I just brush it off would be untrue. Sometimes things people say do piss you off.

Here's where the relatively sound mind part comes in; I'm fairly certain I understand who and what I am. When I walk away from this computer, I leave this place behind and carry on with my life. I don't truck some shitty comments around with me all day.

If someones mental state was compromised your scenario could impact them.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Kona92

The hypocrisy of so many over there is sickening!

The treatment he received online was, well not very nice IMO! Yes, he was stuck on himself and all the goodies, including his wife. But the relentless beating in my opinion contributed to his decline in mental state!

I'm NOT condoning his final act, but come on.........

REPEAT:Scan the older thread linked here above, read post #64
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Dan was an instigator, just like many others. Maybe his attitude had changed. Maybe he no longer wanted to have that persona attached to him. However, when that's what you present yourself as - for years - it's hard to shake that. If he felt like he was being hounded, he could have sent a PM asking them to stop, he could have reported the behavior to the Mods or he could have avoided CF all together.

Even in the thread you posted, he was publicly airing his dirty laundry. And by virtue of his initial post in that very thread, he knew what the perception of him was. Only now, it was no longer perception. By his own admission, it was reality and had extended into his real life.

Tell me: What exactly was the purpose of that thread? He wasn't humbling himself in that thread. It was a self-serving thread. He posted it as a gesture to Priscilla solely for the purpose of trying to win her affection back. That slice of humble pie was not posted in humility. It was posted out of desperation. Big difference. While I don't condone some of the comments made, people were calling it out for what it was.

Well, guess what? If the complaint (from her) was that he was seeking validation from strangers on an Internet forum, that thread just reinforced everything point she was trying to make. It's like...are you fecking kidding me? One of my points of contention was that forum...and the first thing you do is run there to post about our failing marriage?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Is this possible? I have no idea. Can you make it into your mid 50's and then become schizophrenic? Wouldn't there be SOME signs through the years?

That is something he would have lived with since his youth. Sounds like his son is making a subconscious excuse he can live with.

[87 Ragtop]

Originally Posted by island14

Kwil dug this up..

Wow!

A thread Dan started about suicide..

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Originally Posted by Sea Six

That's a prophetic thread from a year ago... where Dan said several times he'd never commit suicide if Priscilla left him.

The last voice he heard was an angel's - Corvette Forum

Reading that thread was just morbid. He should have reread it. Just a tragic situation.

[Voytek]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Thread locked over there...

Just registered.

[bsmith]

Originally Posted by Dixievet

This whole thing still blows my mind. One thing that came to thought is that he would not want to go to prison because it is likely that he would run into former customers there and have a rough time.

Regardless, he did the chickenshit thing by taking someone else out because of his own problems.

I feel sorry for their friends and families.

Priscilla's family was in corrections.
As a child, her family was held hostage by inmates... Her father was warden. I don't remember the end result of the situation.

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

Looking back, I now find this very suspect.

He retired 3 years ago at 53? Most public employee pensions will pay something like 90% of your salary - for life - at 33+ years of service, AFTER you pass age 55. Pretty standard...specially only being qualified to collect your full pension (highest percentage of annual salary allowed) after age 55.

He voluntarily retires at just over 30 years of service, just shy of hitting the age of 55? After 30 years, what's another few years of service when it will increase your annual (pension) salary by several thousand per year?

Not to mention that...they had plans on building the new house. Why didn't he participate in the DROP (Deferred Retirement Option Plan) program? Colorado has it. Most officers walk away with hundreds of thousands of dollars (lump payment) at the end of their participation in DROP. That's not an exaggeration. DROP seems like a no-brainer for someone that's thinking about building a new home. Early retirement when you're about to build a new home? That doesn't make any sense.

Stranger things have happened, but the notion that his early retirement came voluntarily just doesn't sit right. It doesn't seem like a logical choice that would be made VOLUNTARILY. Especially when I think about him talking about his conflicts with the (at the time) new Chief of Police.
.

He talked about how his retirement was unlike most police.
He said there was no monthly payout for life, he retired with an account that he has to manage and make it last the rest of his life.
I don't think the conflicts were with the new chief.
He painted the picture that he got the chief he served under fired after he retired.
He met with the mayor and got the ball rolling.

[dwjz06]

Originally Posted by Voytek

Just registered.

NooB

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Voytek

Just registered.

[Fastguy]

I think NAV is my long lost sister. Saying exactly what i was thinking but with much more articulation.

Bsmith, you are the like the forum historian, ****er remembers everything.