Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses !

[JRD77VET]

How 'bout this? Another angle

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by JRD77VET

How 'bout this? Another angle

Too bad it’s wrong - like most internet conspiracy theories.

From one of many sources:

Angela Chao, the sister-in-law of Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., drowned in February when she drove her Tesla into a Texas pond. She was the CEO of her family’s shipping company, Foremost Group.

The ship that crashed into the Baltimore bridge is owned by Grace Ocean Private Ltd. and managed by Synergy Marine Group. Chao has no connection to either company.

[Unsuspicious]

Originally Posted by JRD77VET

How 'bout this? Another angle

Not the same company, she was CEO of some american company, ship was a singaporean company

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by LATB

Probably why one who survived refused medical treatment. I figured either an illegal or a warrant. Or both.

Why would you jump there instead an employer with no health?

These are not the illegals you're looking for...

[John Wiz]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

interesting video on this:

https://youtu.be/N39w6aQFKSQ

Very interesting and telling video..

I did hear this morning that they have the Voyage Data Recorder (VDR) from the ship. The VDR is the equivalent of the black box on an aircraft. It will have all of the GPS data, engine, rudder info as well as voice recordings from the pilothouse (and a bunch of other data). This will be very telling as to what happened and what the crew did.

A few data points, this was a single screw ship (one shaft and propeller). On Navy ships, the rudder would be offset to one side to compensate for the torque from the propeller while going in the ahead direction, however, when going astern (backwards) the propeller would cause the stern to pull to one side (in the case of the frigate I was on) to port (left).

My thoughts (based on what's in the video), the ship lost power for some reason (bad fuel, operator error, malfunction who knows), and the ship started to drift south of the channel (as shown in the video and track). They should have had an emergency generator come online within a few seconds of the loss of power and other critical gear should have been on UPS backup. The EDG (Emergency Diesel Generator) should provide power to critical equipment including steering. That may or may not have happened (again VDR data will tell). Once power was restored (when the lights came back on) they may have tried to slow the ship by backing down (basically going astern on the prop), this could have caused the stern to pull to port, turning the bow to starboard. If that is the case, they would have been better off keeping the power ahead, and using the rudder to steer clear.

Again, all supposition until they review the VDR data. What am I basing this on, 11 years in the Navy, 3 years driving a single screw ship, and 20 years design control systems for Navy ships......

[Onebadcad]

buttplugger's comment for the day is that he believed the ship hit the bridge with a great amount of force.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

Why would you jump there instead an employer with no health?

These are not the illegals you're looking for...

I don’t know who the picture is.
One would be foolish IMO to fall a few hundred feet from that bridge and to the cold water and survive and not have medical attention. If for no other reason than to document the case. I don’t believe that health insurance is an issue.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by LATB

I don’t know who the picture is.
One would be foolish IMO to fall a few hundred feet from that bridge and to the cold water and survive and not have medical attention. If for no other reason than to document the case. I don’t believe that health insurance is an issue.

Yeah. He wasn't a survivor. Was just busting his ass in the middle of the night. So his health insurance was not an issue.

There is zero equivalence factor between people who want to come here and suck a tit, and those that want to work their ass of for the dream. We need to start weeding this shit out at immigration.

[Admiral Blue]

[Bill]

George Kirby Memorial Bridge coming up, y'all!

[Unsuspicious]

Boaty McBoat Bridge

[vettemed]

Biden's Bridge Back Better

[Newby]

Originally Posted by John Wiz

Again, all supposition until they review the VDR data. What am I basing this on, 11 years in the Navy, 3 years driving a single screw ship, and 20 years design control systems for Navy ships......

[zsr22]

Originally Posted by Admiral Blue

Attachment 99097

Probably a lot of hit-and-runs too.

[04 commemorative]

Why not the George Floyd memorial bridge....if hit again it chokes off main artery

[Onebadcad]

You heard it here first!!
New bridge will be named 'elijah cummings ****ed you hard for 23 years'.
A very accurate title for a scumbag who stole without remorse.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by John Wiz

Very interesting and telling video..

I did hear this morning that they have the Voyage Data Recorder (VDR) from the ship. The VDR is the equivalent of the black box on an aircraft. It will have all of the GPS data, engine, rudder info as well as voice recordings from the pilothouse (and a bunch of other data). This will be very telling as to what happened and what the crew did.

A few data points, this was a single screw ship (one shaft and propeller). On Navy ships, the rudder would be offset to one side to compensate for the torque from the propeller while going in the ahead direction, however, when going astern (backwards) the propeller would cause the stern to pull to one side (in the case of the frigate I was on) to port (left).

My thoughts (based on what's in the video), the ship lost power for some reason (bad fuel, operator error, malfunction who knows), and the ship started to drift south of the channel (as shown in the video and track). They should have had an emergency generator come online within a few seconds of the loss of power and other critical gear should have been on UPS backup. The EDG (Emergency Diesel Generator) should provide power to critical equipment including steering. That may or may not have happened (again VDR data will tell). Once power was restored (when the lights came back on) they may have tried to slow the ship by backing down (basically going astern on the prop), this could have caused the stern to pull to port, turning the bow to starboard. If that is the case, they would have been better off keeping the power ahead, and using the rudder to steer clear.

Again, all supposition until they review the VDR data. What am I basing this on, 11 years in the Navy, 3 years driving a single screw ship, and 20 years design control systems for Navy ships......

From someone else with a hell of a lot of time driving ships (not many single screw), I'd say that is pretty f-ing spot on. Bolded was my first thought as well.

Side note for those who may be interested, that's (most likely) what f-ed the Titanic. People panic and slam the bitch full astern. The reality is that it's usually about the worst thing you can do. ...kind of similar to slamming the brakes on ice in a car.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by LATB

I don’t know who the picture is.
One would be foolish IMO to fall a few hundred feet from that bridge and to the cold water and survive and not have medical attention. If for no other reason than to document the case. I don’t believe that health insurance is an issue.

Originally Posted by ZipZap

Yeah. He wasn't a survivor. Was just busting his ass in the middle of the night. So his health insurance was not an issue.

There is zero equivalence factor between people who want to come here and suck a tit, and those that want to work their ass of for the dream. We need to start weeding this shit out at immigration.

Lars just doesn't "get it." Never has, doesn't now and never will! He is interested in three things, spreading bullshit, making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it.

Manual labor is a respectable portion of what keeps the so called infrastructure going along. On some freezing 15deg snow packed morning when you see a watermain break in the street, you won't find many white guys down in the hole repairing it so you can get a nice hot shower for your sorry ass before you go out in the world for the day and degrade and demean those you feel are less than yourself.

You are a real piece of work.

[vettemed]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

From someone else with a hell of a lot of time driving ships (not many single screw), I'd say that is pretty f-ing spot on. Bolded was my first thought as well.

Side note for those who may be interested, that's (most likely) what f-ed the Titanic. People panic and slam the bitch full astern. The reality is that it's usually about the worst thing you can do. ...kind of similar to slamming the brakes on ice in a car.

Yup. What people forget is that without forward thrust from the prop, the rudder is basically useless. I've got a little bit of seat time in running a single screw and there's basically no directional control in reverse. You have to get your momentum in the right direction when in forward gear, THEN grab reverse and hope you've got enough momentum to overcome wind and current, and overcome prop walk.

[Raazor]

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