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Old 11-19-2014, 11:55am   #1
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I really don't have an issue with amnesty for the illegal aliens. I think we basically asked them to come by opening our borders and giving them employment.

Here is some ideas on how I think it should work.

1 all must register or face the real possibilty of deportation when caught.

2 No welfare.

3 criminals deported.

What do you all think about it.
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^ That sounds pretty good
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Knowingly hiring illegal aliens should be a very serious federal crime with a mandatory sentence of five years. It should be vigorously enforced and prosecuted.
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Being a lazy drain to society should be a Federal crime.

I'm not saying it's right, but sometimes it's easier to turn a blind eye as long as their paperworks checks out. At least they WANT to work, and when a place is looking for 50-100 people that will show up and work every day, it could take years to fill those positions if left up solely to lazy americans.
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Being a lazy drain to society should be a Federal crime.

I'm not saying it's right, but sometimes it's easier to turn a blind eye as long as their paperworks checks out. At least they WANT to work, and when a place is looking for 50-100 people that will show up and work every day, it could take years to fill those positions if left up solely to lazy americans.
That argument is also valid. When my house was built ten years ago, our deck (10'X38') was built out of a synthetic product. One year later there were warping and shrinking problems. We contacted the manufacturer and they had already admitted there was a problem with the product that had since been corrected. They were rebuilding at no cost all the decks that had been built during a certain time frame. Their contractor sent out a crew of three Mexicans who spoke little English who I doubt were citizens or legal residents. They tore down our deck, rebuilt it and hauled away the old stuff in two days.

The crew that originally built it (local citizens) took two weeks to build it.
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Several years back - before E-Verify, and all the current ridiculous handouts - I knew of an assembly line that could whip out 15 widgets a day with a non union american workforce combined with hard working mexican workers. Today that line struggles to get 8 or 9 widgets a day with the same # of people. They lost a lot of good people over the last few years.
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If they came here illegally they are not immigrants they are criminals. They should be sent back over the border they swam over or cut the fence to come in. The word immigrant used to describe criminals really pisses me off!
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1 all must register or face the absolute certainty of deportation when caught.

2 No government handouts of any kind.

3 criminals deported.

What do you all think about it.
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Knowingly hiring illegal aliens should be a very serious federal crime with a mandatory fine of $500 for every day of employment for each illegal person employed. It should be vigorously enforced and prosecuted.
but with the changes in bold above.

If people from other countries want to come to the US to try to make a better life for themselves and their families I think they should be welcome to. I do not want one cent of my tax dollars spent on supporting them though. They should find jobs, pay taxes, pay for their own food, healthcare, housing, etc, just like everyone else.
If they are found to have a felony record in their country of origin, they don't get a green card and are immediately sent back across the border. If they get convicted of felony while they are here, they serve their sentence and upon release they are shipped back to their own country.

Strict enforcement against Americans who hire illegals would do a great deal to take away the reason many cross the border in the first place, but I don't think throwing them in jail is the answer. That just cost more taxpayer money to feed and house the perps while they are incarcerated. Strictly enforced stiff (but manageable) fines would make more sense.

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The fact that uncaring crooks left the border open doesn't mean we legal citizens invited them. They still broke the laws. Invite them back out, at gunpoint if necessary.
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Not every illegal immigrant gets paid in cash people. A lot of them get checks just like the rest of us, with deductions for their state and federal taxes, health benefits, SS, etc. It's just a matter of how much paperwork they can obtain. I think most of them DO want to be legal and legit, it's just not as easy as it would seem I suppose.

I agree that there's a problem with the ones that don't pay into the system. There's a hell of a lot of legal citizens that don't contribute squat, but take plenty. What do we do with those?!?
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We don't have an Immigration problem. We have an Entitlement problem.

Due our failed policy of entitlements we have taken 20 million Americans out of the work force. Now we need people to fill those jobs.

To fix the problem all we need to do is two things.

End welfare as we know it. ( phase out over ten years)
End Birthright citizenship to children born to parents here illegally.

Then let Darwin rule and watch America prosper.
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Not every illegal immigrant gets paid in cash people. A lot of them get checks just like the rest of us, with deductions for their state and federal taxes, health benefits, SS, etc. It's just a matter of how much paperwork they can obtain. I think most of them DO want to be legal and legit, it's just not as easy as it would seem I suppose.

I agree that there's a problem with the ones that don't pay into the system. There's a hell of a lot of legal citizens that don't contribute squat, but take plenty. What do we do with those?!?
I think you suffer from the same problem liberals have with understanding the definition of "illegal". The first thing these people did on coming to this country was break it's laws. We have enough home grown criminals, we don't need more.

I don't care how eager or hungry you are, do it legally or stay in the shit hole you came from, stop turning this country into one as well.
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Listen, I'm fortunate in that I may never know what brings a person to do something crazy like risk their lives for the hope of something better. I'm just saying that the ones that are here . . . the ones that have been here for generations . . . learned English . . . the ones that have indeed been paying into the system . . . the ones whom you may even be friends with and go to their kids Christenings, etc... perhaps those could be given amnesty? Show proof that you've paid property taxes, car insurance, income taxes, etc. and we'll let you file for the proper paperwork and you don't have to live in fear of being caught anymore.
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Listen, I'm fortunate in that I may never know what brings a person to do something crazy like risk their lives for the hope of something better. I'm just saying that the ones that are here . . . the ones that have been here for generations . . . learned English . . . the ones that have indeed been paying into the system . . . the ones whom you may even be friends with and go to their kids Christenings, etc... perhaps those could be given amnesty? Show proof that you've paid property taxes, car insurance, income taxes, etc. and we'll let you file for the proper paperwork and you don't have to live in fear of being caught anymore.
If they've been ere for generations than their kids and grandkids are American citizens.
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6 months after Obama and crew give these 5 million amnesty...they will cry for the humane treatment and give them health insurance and welfare.

Then. They will cry for humanitarian reasons...we need to reunite the kids with their parents south of the border. Bring 'em up. And the parents who's kids are south...bring them up too.

We are going to send airplanes to go get them. Serious.
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6 months after Obama and crew give these 5 million amnesty...they will cry for the humane treatment and give them health insurance and welfare.

Then. They will cry for humanitarian reasons...we need to reunite the kids with their parents south of the border. Bring 'em up. And the parents who's kids are south...bring them up too.

We are going to send airplanes to go get them. Serious.
That very well could be. And, I will bet that shortly after amnesty, they and the far left will say, yeah, they have the right to live here but they do not have any say so in our country and that is not fair. They do not have equal rights. They will push for the right to vote and if we have a president like we do now and/or a democratic controlled congress, they will push for that right.
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I DO want the illegals to be pushed out, ANY way possible.....


BUT, I want ALL islamics on our shores shot on site as a national security threat.....that includes all the DIP LO mats.....


stone dead seriously.....
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1) Secure the borders - no action can reasonably be taken until this is done. Otherwise people will just keep streaming over

2) Those already here can apply for permanent resident status. You have one year to do so. That status grants you the right to live and work here. It does not grant you support from any federal programs. Choosing this path eliminates any right to apply for citizenship in the future

3) If you want to be a citizen you have one year to leave and get back in line.

4) Anyone deported one year after the bill is signed loses all rights to become a citizen now or in the future.

5) Expand the guest worker program

6) Simplify the process for becoming a citizen
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I think you suffer from the same problem liberals have with understanding the definition of "illegal". The first thing these people did on coming to this country was break it's laws. We have enough home grown criminals, we don't need more.

I don't care how eager or hungry you are, do it legally or stay in the shit hole you came from, stop turning this country into one as well.
Just a small point: not all our illegals snuck across. Some came here legally on a visa, then overstayed that visa. They were here legally, then, when the visa expired, they were not.
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