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{Hypothetical} Civil War II
Let me begin by saying that I don't think it will come to this. Not because liberals don't want to take guns, but because even they aren't stupid enough to think that they could.
Hypothetically... let's say that a nationwide ban and confiscation was put in place. How do you think it would play out? My thoughts are this: I have talked with a lot of my friends still in the military since this all began. The majority are in the O-3 to O-6 range and spanning the Navy, Marines, and Army (didn't do much with the Air Force). 1 commands a guided missile cruiser, quite a few are SOF. I am not name dropping (or rank dropping) for any reason other than to point out that these are the people who would be giving the orders. None... NOT A SINGLE 1... would give the command to use force against otherwise law abiding American citizens in order to confiscate firearms. Quite the opposite actually. I have also not found 1 who would turn in their own personally owned firearms if ordered to do so. The liberal viewpoint seems to be that the military would come in and do the dirty work of disarming citizens. Simply put... from everything I have seen over the last 13 years that I have been tied to the military, you are wrong. The leadership of our military is not made up of mindless drones that simply do as they are told. They do not abandon their core beliefs because some asshat in Washington tells them to do so. That is in large part what makes us the greatest military the World has ever imagined. Ask yourself a question... if by some terrible series of events (undoubtedly led by our dipshit president) leads to an actual conflict between the government and the people, whose side do you think the military will actually be on? The argument has been made in past discussions that the military has much more than rifles at their disposal which is indeed true. But, who exactly is going to use those weapons against civilians? Who is going to roll a tank down the street? Who is going to pilot an AC-130 over a small town American neighborhood? Who is going to give batteries release to a UAV over Iowa? Who is going to plan the TLAM mission into a suburban sub division? Who is going to give the order to launch? Even if they did initially support gun legislation, do you really think the public would support their neighbor's house being hit with a TLAM? How many LEOs, servicemen, kids, and innocent bystanders would have to be killed before public opinion was against the government? We haven't even considered the fact that with the way our military bases are set up, it would not be difficult for an armed civilian population to take control of the bases and in turn all of the weapons on those bases. Start with some of the reserve and National Guard units and as you gain weapons, you can in turn use them against the larger facilities. If a "resistance" was able to capture any East coast Naval base... just 1... it would be all over. It wouldn't take much at all. I'm just 1 lowly person and if you gave me a DDG or a CG in Norfolk, VA, with a crew of about 10 people I have the skillset to not only plan the mission, but launch a full salvo of Tomahawk missiles anywhere on the East coast... including turning the White House and Capitol into piles of rubble. I am not claiming to be special nor am I some kind of badass. There are countless people with those same skillsets. It wouldn't take an army to bring the government to it's knees. It would only take a small fraction of the military. A few surface ships, an air wing, hell, a single SSGN with leadership opposing the government's position could wipe out the entire command structure in DC if it came down to it. Notice I said SSGN, not SSBN. I am not talking about launching nukes. I am going with precision strikes against specific targets. Long story short. People can talk about taking guns all they want and the government imposing their will by force, but in a war between the government and the people... the people of this country will win. Period. Last edited by RedLS1GTO; 02-19-2013 at 10:23am. |
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This was the exact point I made to several here where I work when they said "what are you going to do with the guns you have up against the army?". We just need to progress up the ladder of available resources, that's all. We don't have to have everything on hand...we just need to have the ability to go get it. Police forces may initially try to stop those attempting to regain this country, but eventually even they would stop or be overwhelmed. They can keep trying to take away our guns, but they forget one major thing....we have guns! |
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Personally, I'm not putting myself in harms way unless it is a cause that I truly believe in. I find it hard to believe that a significant portion of ANY law enforcement agency would have a strong enough conviction to disarm Americans that they would willingly sacrifice their own lives to do so. As you said, they might initially be onboard simply due to following orders but without that conviction, when the bullets start flying, it doesn't take seeing too many of your buddies killed to realize that it isn't worth it.
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And yet, it happened in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.
Don't think these things couldn't happen. They can, do, and probably will in the future. |
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The police, National Guard, or whoever the guilty ones are that were rounding up legally owned firearms in the aftermath of Katrina should have been shot on sight and the ones that survived imprisoned for following unlawful orders. If there is anyone one out there that thinks for one damn minute that I would ever participate in rounding up LEGALLY owned firearms has another thing coming. It is not a lawful order and should not be construed as one. Unless I am completely caught off guard, anyone trying to take my firearms will get them......LEAD FIRST!!
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I don't claim to speak for the entire military but from my experience that number would be very low and would only be a VERY small percentage of leadership.
Those who would "go along" with it would for the most part be those who are young, single, and don't have the life experiences to fully grasp the situation. |
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You people are insane.
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You know, this deserves a more well thought out response than what I did a minute ago.
Up until the above entry, this thread consisted of a reasoned discussion about a hypothertical situation. It even said so in the title. People were asked if they thought the military or police would fire on American citizens or whether they would decline to do so. Since this scenario (military and/or police firing upon American citizens) has happened before (Example, Kent State) there is absolutely nothing insane about asking whether or not it could happen again and under what circumstances. The baselessly condescending "argument" that the discussion is without merit is the insane one. |
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[QUOTE]=Joecooool;891274]The gun grabbing bullshit is insane.[/QUOTE]
Your quite correct. Of course you know its your commie/libby/leftest democrats that do it. Its about time you saw it the was it is! Thanks
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