LOL, People actually beleive that kids are not influenced by having gay parents..

[Chris Fowler]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

My sister and I were raised by my single father... in a wheelchair. We were not even close to wealthy and all 3 of us worked our asses off to support each other. I wouldn't trade a single second of my upbringing with any other person on the planet.

Saying that we would have been better off if we were raised by 2 gay men (or women) simply because there would be 2 of them is absolutely ignorant.

I am in no way stating that a single parent is a bad thing. Lots of people have been raised in a wonderful, loving, single parent family.

But, two parents is an easier situation to work with, straight or gay. Provided that they are also loving.

Bad parents can come in all forms.

Great parents can come in all forms a well.

But it's "easier" if there are two parents to raise the kids.

Sorry if I offended good single parenting in any way.

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by Chris Fowler

I am in no way stating that a single parent is a bad thing. Lots of people have been raised in a wonderful, loving, single parent family.

But, two parents is an easier situation to work with, straight or gay. Provided that they are also loving.

Bad parents can come in all forms.

Great parents can come in all forms a well.

But it's "easier" if there are two parents to raise the kids.

Sorry if I offended good single parenting in any way.

I agree...and as a single parent, i'm certainly not offended. My kids are grown now and work hard, pay their taxes and go to school...in my opinion they are a perfect example of good kids, raised by a single parent...we all wish it could have been different, but it is what is and they are OK!!

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

.in my opinion they are a perfect example of good kids,

Bad drivers, but good kids.

[ZipZap]

Generalizations run strong in this thread...

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by HeatherO

personally...raising kids is a job for two person 'team'...who gives a crap what gender they are?? I surely don't.
I raised my kids, for the most part, by myself...They aren't horrible people, sure they've made mistakes just like anyone else, but I don't think they are worse off because their father decided he didn't want to be part of a 'team'

After having two kids i have a whole new level of respect for single parents. I don't know how people like you do/did it.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by MrPeabody

I do. You would, too if you knew the hetero couples I'm talking about. A pack of wolves would be better.

The old argument by exception....I don't buy it.....

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

After having two kids i have a whole new level of respect for single parents. I don't know how people like you do/did it.

same here ...I often sit and reflect on their childhood (because I miss the babies and feel I missed alot of that) and find myself saying "WTF happened here??" I did what I had to do, you get through it

[island14]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller View Post
But who are you to define healthy for somebody else?

Smoking? Yeah, there's enough medical evidence that smoking is unhealthy. But even with all the evidence that smoking is unhealthy, you don't go around taking cigarettes away from smokers do you? So why do the same thing to gay couples?

Originally Posted by Vette40th

Its my opinion, just like everyone else. No proof either way that it is healthy. But I believe you need a mother father family to raise a child. Opinion, nothing more.
Smoking, I say stay on topic, apples/oranges.

I think he was comparing, and saying that smoking pole is like an addicktion to some..

probably not healthy much either..

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by island14

I think he was comparing, and saying that smoking pole is like an addicktion to some..

probably not healthy much either..

smokin pole is only healthy if the smoker is female, and the smokee is male, right?

[island14]

Originally Posted by HeatherO

smokin pole is only healthy if the smoker is female, and the smokee is male, right?

Girls should wash it first to be safe..

Do you have an addiction you want to discuss Heather?.....

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by island14

Girls should wash it first to be safe..

Do you have an addiction you want to discuss Heather?.....

hey, you were the one that brought up pole smokin being an addiction and shit

[island14]

Originally Posted by HeatherO

hey, you were the one that brought up pole smokin being an addiction and shit

They say smoking is hard to quit once you get started, so probably best you not to try it.

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by island14

They say smoking is hard to quit once you get started, so probably best you not to try it.

no kidding, you as well

[island14]

[zz4vetteguy]

Originally Posted by carlton_fritz

My point is that being straight or gay does not make a person a good parent. The gay couple that raise a child might be just as bad as the hetero couples you know.

Start of the best argument in this thread...it does not matter if the parent's are straight, gay, black, white, single, handicapped, or what ever. The type of relationship has nothing to do with it, it is how the child is actually raised. It is also the OVERALL environment that we are raised in, which includes outside influences from our parents, and the choices that we make.

Look at the number of siblings that grew up in the same house, with the same families, and they are polar oposites. I don't think it really matters what kind of household that children grow up in, as long as it is one that truely loves and cares about them.

[Nemesis]

It befuddles me to think that anyone thinks they have the right to revoke others' right to be happy.

[Vette40th]

Well, lot of great insight here and debate. Good to see people agreeing to disagree etc and to inject personal life experiences in doing so too.

[carlton_fritz]

Originally Posted by JMS32935

Bullshit, it's also a Tax Break,... and That's a "gov't issue".

I think it Should be just a religious thing. But so long as the gov is giving out tax breaks for being married, they get some say in who gets those breaks. Separate those things, and the issues would have been simpler.

The .gov should get out of who can and cannot get married. Are there gay "churches"? If so, then if the gay church religion allows them to get married, the .gov should see it the same way as hetero marriages. That said, I consider homosexuality to be a sin, just as I consider many things to be a sin. Adultery for example. If the .gov is OK with someone committing adultery, then it should be OK with gay people being married. Maybe if Bill Clinton had smoked pole instead of getting his pole smoked, the .gov wouldn't be making a big deal out of it.

[GRN ENVY]

So is it a fear that the kids will become gay? Because I don't see a problem with gay males or females raising a kid. I think most people views of a gay male is they think he would be overly feminem and go to the extreme of cross dressing, and visa versa for females. But that isn't the case in a lot of the gay community. Found out a buddy of mine, he has a huge lifted truck, wears camo and is a good ole boy, dips and drinks his natty ice. Would never guessed he favored the males untill he introduced me to his boy friend. Lesson here don't stereotype the gay community because they live just as many of us do, only difference is the sex of who they go home to at night.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by Vette40th

Well, lot of great insight here and debate. Good to see people agreeing to disagree etc and to inject personal life experiences in doing so too.

Terrific. You plan on answering me?