Trapped Americans in Kabul: Sucks to be You. Meanwhile Brits Take Care of Their Own

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Dan47

More nonsense. You are posting things you clearly don't understand. Government is our biggest employer and we have a central bank price fixing money, one half of every exchange... That's central planning.

What the holy **** does that have to do with government contractors in Afghanistan and not abandoning them there?

[ZipZap]

The folks I had were getting, 5 - 10% upper for being deployed as a civilian, and this was really only hazard pay. If they had a tent, we did not provide TDY pay. They were out there because they were committed. If you want that job, then go for it. If you're insinuating that contractors are just sucking on the tit, then you have no f-ing idea how stuff is run these days.

Go deploy electronic weaponry with an E-3 and tune it up. Nothing against the E-3, but this is crazy complicated stuff. They need someone out there to teach them, and as long as the .gov decides to limit the staff, we'll require another source.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

The folks I had were getting, 5 - 10% upper for being deployed as a civilian, and this was really only hazard pay. If they had a tent, we did not provide TDY pay. They were out there because they were committed. If you want that job, then go for it. If you're insinuating that contractors are just sucking on the tit, then you have no f-ing idea how stuff is run these days.

Go deploy electronic weaponry with an E-3 and tune it up. Nothing against the E-3, but this is crazy complicated stuff. They need someone out there to teach them, and as long as the .gov decides to limit the staff, we'll require another source.

All the more reason not to leave them behind. Not that rescuing them needs any justification. It needs to happen and fast. Not one of them expected to be abandoned.

[Aerovette]

The surest sign someone is on the wrong side of a discussion is having Jeff79 on your side.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

What the holy **** does that have to do with government contractors in Afghanistan?

Funding. That should be obvious?

Make this generation pay for its wars and watch how fast we get fewer of them, nonproductive government employees too.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by aerovette

No. YOU don't understand. No one working over there as a contractor HAS TO BE THERE. THAT is the free market aspect. They present a need and willing parties agree to the price paid. That is capitalism pure and simple. Market driven. If they could not find anyone to go over there for $80k a year, would they just call off the war? Fk no. They'll offer $90k. You are obsessed with the central bank bullshit that is NOT part of the discussion. Holy fk stay on the page.

Who gives a shit if they are the biggest employer? If no one was willing to do the work, they wouldn't be the biggest employer.

The topic is NOT where the money comes from. The topic is WHO is doing the jobs over there and WHY they are doing them. They are doing them for M O N E Y !!

You have tried at least three times to make this a different discussion. Try sticking to the actual discussion for a change.

No you simply cannot grasp the concept of an entity like the federal government that doesn’t suffer the need to be profitable. That point zips right over your head. They can raise salaries until every job is filled because they don’t pay them, we do or the future does, or both.

That isn’t a free market because current taxpayers aren’t really represented by these captured politicians and future taxpayers aren’t alive to be represented.

#FundingMatters

I don’t know how to simplify it any further?

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Funding. That should be obvious?

Make this generation pay for its wars and watch how fast we get fewer of them, nonproductive government employees too.

Don't know that anyone disagrees with you here. The disagreement was with non-military finding their own way home.

If I was still working in the field and had folks down range I'd be on the phone with the 3 and 4 stars asking WTF are they thinking. The next thing would be a discussion about how they can **** off from now on and figure out shit for themselves. Have your folks try and fix radars, tracking equipment, electronic countermeasures, satellites, etc. I treated every deployment as a risk, but always depended of the .mil protecting my folks, because that was their commitment to me. Not so sure now. Not gonna send folks to crappy areas without an assurance of getting them back. You leave folks behind and you absolutely lose my confidence.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

What the holy **** does that have to do with government contractors in Afghanistan?

I think his point is, these aren't aren't nuns and priests, in country, running orphanages for Afghan kids, they're Americans that chose to take risks to make more money than they could here in the US. I agree with that, but even those risk takers and profiteers shouldn't be left to die because our Resident is an Alzheimer's patient. They depended on Uncle Sam to tell them when it was time to GTFO, and they were failed BY Uncle Sam.

[Dan47]

I’m not for abandoning anyone but this war’s ending was obvious to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history.

We morphed into a welfare and warfare nation as a result of the dollar created in 1971 with the Nixon Shock. That change pushed our Republic from being the biggest manufacturing powerhouse and creditor nation the World had ever known, into the biggest debtor.

Somebody show me how to extract these folks. Don’t just wrap yourself in the flag, let’s see your plan and after that tell me how we end welfare and reclaim our inner cities. Our Republic is ****ed and this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, especially those claiming to be Patriots and working for the Swamp.

This shit should have been addressed long ago and it’s too ****ing late now.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

Don't know that anyone disagrees with you here. The disagreement was with non-military finding their own way home.

If I was still working in the field and had folks down range I'd be on the phone with the 3 and 4 stars asking WTF are they thinking. The next thing would be a discussion about how they can **** off from now on and figure out shit for themselves. Have your folks try and fix radars, tracking equipment, electronic countermeasures, satellites, etc. I treated every deployment as a risk, but always depended of the .mil protecting my folks, because that was their commitment to me. Not so sure now. Not gonna send folks to crappy areas without an assurance of getting them back. You leave folks behind and you absolutely lose my confidence.

Agreed.

I know I come across badly in my comments but this shit is so frustrating and I’m not handling it very well.

Sorry.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Funding. That should be obvious?

Make this generation pay for its wars and watch how fast we get fewer of them, nonproductive government employees too.

Which, again, has NOTHING to do with contractors being abandoned in Afghanistan.

Start a new thread to whine about the national debt because it’s not germane to this one.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Which, again, has NOTHING to do with contractors being abandoned in Afghanistan.

Start a new thread to whine about the national debt because it’s not germane to this one.

Of course it does. Funding brought us to this moment in time and is very much germane.

You ever going to share your service record? Only curious because you questioned mine you crazy Patriot.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Dan47

Of course it does. Funding brought us to this moment in time and is very much germane.

You ever going to share your service record? Only curious because you questioned mine you crazy Patriot.

Double fail at deflection. "Funding" did not get us into Afghanistan and it doesn't justify leaving Americans behind.

No one's service record is relevant to the discussion. American citizens are in danger.

Your posts on this topic are truly a "Tell me you think Hillary did the right thing in Bengazi, without telling me" moment. I suppose that was a funding issue as well.

[Dan47]

Originally Posted by aerovette

Double fail at deflection. "Funding" did not get us into Afghanistan and it doesn't justify leaving Americans behind.

No one's service record is relevant to the discussion. American citizens are in danger.

Your posts on this topic are truly a "Tell me you think Hillary did the right thing in Bengazi, without telling me" moment. I suppose that was a funding issue as well.

It only looks like deflection because you don’t understand the subject and nobody outside the Federal Government, is trying to justify leaving Americans behind.

Of course that never stops folks like you from virtue signaling their concern after the toothpaste has left the tube.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Dan47

It only looks like deflection because you don’t understand the subject and nobody outside the Federal Government, is trying to justify leaving Americans behind.

Of course that never stops folks like you from virtue signaling their concern after the toothpaste has left the tube.

But....but....but.... That's his specialty
That and deflection.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Biden is an embarrassment and a disgrace. So are the idiots who voted for him.

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[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Dan47

And FTR, I don’t give two shits about American civilians trapped in that shithole. Reads like they were cashing in as contractors and robbing taxpayers to feather their own nests? Or is there a tourist season and they just caught a bad break?

Interesting read. Sure sounds like you don't give two shits in the post above, unless I'm reading it wrong. But you aren't ok with abandoning them.

Maybe you'd like to clarify your position. Pick one.

[MadInNc]

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF…



ONE FOR HISTORY BUFFS THAT I BET YOU DID NOT KNOW


In 1975, President Ford was left to manage the difficult ending of the Vietnam War. President Ford went to Congress for a relief package to allow American personnel and our allies to evacuate. However, there was ONE US SENATOR who opposed any such support. The result was the embarrassing and hurried evacuation from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon


This senator reveled in the embarrassment and did everything he could to leverage it politically against Ford. Despite the efforts of this U.S. Senator--President Ford managed to rescue 1,500 South Vietnamese allies prior to the country's fall. Had President Ford not acted quickly, these people would have been targeted and slaughtered for their support for America . When they arrived in America , President Ford asked Congress for a package to assist these refugees to integrate into American society.


That SAME troublesome SENATOR TORPEDOED ANY SUPPORT for these shell shocked, anti-communist, Americans and our helpers, the refugees.



Instead, President Ford had to recruit Christian organizations to offer assistance on a voluntary basis. As he did so, the Senator belittled those efforts. What kind of person would oppose President Ford's tireless work to do the right and humanitarian thing? Who would want to play politics with the well-being of innocent people who stood by America in the tragic Vietnam War?



THAT SENATOR WAS JOE BIDEN

From the book - "When the Center Held." by Donald Rumsfeld in 2018.(biography)

[Bill]

[dvarapala]

Mostly False

What's True
Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said in his biography that in 1975 President Gerald Ford had tried to convince a number of senators to help refugees fleeing persecution and claimed Biden, along with other Democrats, “dissented.”

What's False
Biden did not vote against sending financial assistance to the South Vietnamese government toward the end of the Vietnam conflict, or block either the admittance of refugees to the U.S. or the distribution of funds to help them resettle -- in May 1975 he supported a bill allowing this to occur. His dissent regarding Ford's initiative was taken out of context by critics, as they did not include all of Biden's concerns. He had opposed an April 1975 aid package for South Vietnam because he argued those evacuation funds could be used as military aid and should be sent through multilateral channels. That April bill ultimately died in Congress.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bi...tnam-refugees/