Europe finally gave up......

[mrvette]

Europe Abandons All-Electric Car Mandate
>> Even the EU, the most radical continent when it comes to global warming and environmental issues,
>> is abandoning the push to EV’s. Perhaps our country will wake up and realize the same facts that
>> are reflected in this newsletter below…
>> Europe Abandons All-Electric Car Mandate
>>
>> Stupidity of "switch to electric" while killing power generation
>> By Igor Chudov
>> Igor’s Newsletter
>> March 29, 2023
>>
>> France24 and the Wall Street Journal (paywall-free link) report that the EU abandoned its much-ballyhooed ransition to electric cars, which was supposed to culminate with a total ban on gasoline cars in 2035.
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>> The EU’s reversal allows “the sales of new cars with combustion engines that run on synthetic fuels,”
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>> which sounds very environmentally friendly. But synthetic fuels are similar to gasoline or diesel, so the
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>> decision allows internal combustion cars to continue being produced.
>> This transition was announced with a lot of pomp: The transition was supposed to go on for 13 years after its announcement in 2022 but was abandoned only a year after its adoption. What happened?
>>
>> Prodded by climate activists, the EU was pressured to ban fossil fuel vehicles and replace them with battery-powered vehicles. The problem is that such a transition is impossible:
>> · Transitioning to electric passenger vehicles will increase electricity demand by 25%.
>> · Transitioning to electric trucks will further raise electricity demand to a total of 40% increase.
>> · EU is phasing out fossil fuel generation and replacing it with unreliable solar and wind generation
>> – thus decreasing power availability instead of increasing it to meet greater demand.
>> · As cars and especially trucks are charged at night, solar and wind power cannot contribute to charging.
>>
>> Are electric cars more efficient?
>>
>> Running a gasoline car involves:
>> · Burning gas in the internal combustion engine and converting thermal energy to mechanical energy. That’s it.
>>
>> Charging an electric car’s battery from the grid and driving the car involves:
>> · Burning gas at the power station and converting thermal energy of gas to mechanical energy of the gas turbine.
>>
>> This is only moderately more efficient in a power station than gasoline cars.
>>
>> Then, losses begin:
>> · Converting the mechanical energy of the turbine into electrical energy in the generator involves generator losses
>> · Converting medium voltage from the generator into high transmission voltage involves transformer losses
>> · Transmitting the power along the high voltage lines involves transmission losses
>> · Stepping down the voltage in several substations involves transformer losses again
>> · In a home charging station, converting 220v power into DC for car charging again involves conversion losses
>> · A chemical process in the battery being charged heats the battery, involving charging losses
>> · Running the car’s electrical motors from the battery requires inverter losses to generate electricity
>> for traction motors and motor losses.
>>
>> Take a look at what happens when a driver needs heat in the cab:
>> · Heating a gasoline car in winter involves redirecting waste heat (hot antifreeze) from the engine
>> into the cab heater, thus not requiring additional fuel.
>> · Heating an electric car requires a resistance heater or a heat pump, needing to eventually consume more energy from the grid – with all the above conversion losses included.
>>
>> Which process (gasoline car vs. electric) is more efficient at converting fuel, burnt directly in the car engine or at distant power stations, into usable energy to propel a car traveling on a highway? The gas engines win outright.
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>> The situation would be different if we had a clean, weather-independent, and inexpensive electrical power source.
>>
>> But, alas, we do not have that yet.
>> Last December, eugyppius wrote a nice post about Switzerland banning electric cars due to a lack
>> of electricity to charge them.
>> The fact that a pompously announced thirteen-year “electric car transition” was canceled only one year after
>> it was adopted strongly suggests that the original idea was untenably stupid.

[Bill]

>> Good article.

>> Would read again.

>> Would be nice to have a link to the source.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

>> Good article.

>> Would read again.

>> Would be nice to have a link to the source.

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[Frankie the Fink]

Won't happen in the US, the EV zealots are adamant that they are smarter than ICE drivers and saving the environment to boot. I literally passed a WAWA gas station in central Florida this morning and there were two cars at the charging stations whose owners were standing around waiting for electrons to flow - wife and I got a hoot out of it as we filled up in 3 minutes and rocketed off to continue our lives.

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

Won't happen in the US, the EV zealots are adamant that they are smarter than ICE drivers and saving the environment to boot. I literally passed a WAWA gas station in central Florida this morning and there were two cars at the charging stations whose owners were standing around waiting for electrons to flow - wife and I got a hoot out of it as we filled up in 3 minutes and rocketed off to continue our lives.

Wrong-o. It will happen in the US.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

...the EV zealots are adamant that they are smarter than ICE drivers and saving the environment to boot.

soooo true

[LATB]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

>> Good article.

>> Would read again.

>> Would be nice to have a link to the source.

Originally Posted by mrvette

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classic gene

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by LATB

classic gene

So it was sent to me in an email, I had to find the source and then post it.....

[zeek]

This:

Are electric cars more efficient?

Running a gasoline car involves:

Burning gas in the internal combustion engine and converting thermal energy to mechanical energy. That’s it.


Charging an electric car’s battery from the grid and driving the car involves:

Burning gas at the power station and converting thermal energy of gas to mechanical energy of the gas turbine. This is only moderately more efficient in a power station than gasoline cars.
Then, losses begin:
Converting the mechanical energy of the turbine into electrical energy in the generator involves generator losses
Converting medium voltage from the generator into high transmission voltage involves transformer losses
Transmitting the power along the high voltage lines involves transmission losses
Stepping down the voltage in several substations involves transformer losses again
In a home charging station, converting 220v power into DC for car charging again involves conversion losses
A chemical process in the battery being charged heats the battery, involving charging losses
Running the car’s electrical motors from the battery requires inverter losses to generate electricity for traction motors and motor losses.
Take a look at what happens when a driver needs heat in the cab:

Heating a gasoline car in winter involves redirecting waste heat (hot antifreeze) from the engine into the cab heater, thus not requiring additional fuel.
Heating an electric car requires a resistance heater or a heat pump, needing to eventually consume more energy from the grid – with all the above conversion losses included.
Which process (gasoline car vs. electric) is more efficient at converting fuel, burnt directly in the car engine or at distant power stations, into usable energy to propel a car traveling on a highway? The gas engines win outright.

The situation would be different if we had a clean, weather-independent, and inexpensive electrical power source. But, alas, we do not have that yet.

Last December, eugyppius wrote a nice post about Switzerland banning electric cars due to a lack of electricity to charge them.

The fact that a pompously announced thirteen-year “electric car transition” was canceled only one year after it was adopted strongly suggests that the original idea was untenably stupid.

[markids77]

This argument completely ignores all the energy expended to discover, drill, frack, pump, refine, store, transport and dispense the gasoline needed for an ICE vehicle.
Those "energy losses" must be factored into the ICE total efficiency scenario.

[Torqaholic]

Saw a headline implying as much yesterday. Didn't click on it, I've a tendency to totally avoid topics relating to lib-scum fiction. The story would only confirm what I already know and there ain't nobody got time for that, but forewarned is forearmed, and knowledge is power... So thanks for that Mr Vette.

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by markids77

This argument completely ignores all the energy expended to discover, drill, frack, pump, refine, store, transport and dispense the gasoline needed for an ICE vehicle.
...

Good point but the whole economic scene is just a sideshow. Living in a cess pool of heavy metal pollution because others value the production of batteries over generating plant food is the big picture.

[markids77]

Originally Posted by Torqaholic

Good point but the whole economic scene is just a sideshow. Living in a cess pool of heavy metal pollution because others value the production of batteries over generating plant food is the big picture.

True Dat. Hyundai is building an EV plant half an hour from here and LG signed on today to build a battery plant to support Hyundai. I'm downstream of both plants... glad I have a really deep well.