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Old 02-09-2012, 4:09pm   #41
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Do you believe Obama is a Christian ?
I believe he is a pretend Christian.
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Old 02-09-2012, 4:21pm   #42
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I won't answer for OD, but as much as Obama claims to be a "Christian" his actions lead me to not take his word.
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Old 02-09-2012, 4:27pm   #43
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Fixed for clarification, but I figured people knew I was talking about Obama and not OD.

I am firmly convinced of OD's faith and conviction.
Yeah, that's probably true but there just might be one or two out there that don't know Julian that well. Might.
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Old 02-09-2012, 4:39pm   #44
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While answering a question about his Christian faith in 2008, Obama said he believes that Jesus Christ died for his sins and through God’s grace and mercy he could have “everlasting life,” according to the Los Angeles Times.

But he also believes Jews and Muslims and non-believers who live moral lives are as much “children of God” as he is, according to The Associated Press.

As an example, he spoke about his late mother who was “not a believer.”

"[S]he was the kindest, most decent, generous person that I have ever known," Obama said, according to the Times. "I'm sure she is in heaven, even though she may not have subscribed to everything that I subscribe to."

Now, Phil, Jesus said, "I am the Way The Truth and the Life. No man comes to the Father but through Me."

That means Jesus is the only bridge to Heaven. We all have someone we love who maybe was a wonderful person in life. But if they did not accept Jesus Christ, then they will not be in Heaven. He is the only way.

Just because 95% of those in Congress profess to be Christian does not mean they are. While only God can know a person's heart, Jesus said, "the tree is known by the fruit it bears."

The reality is the U.S. Goverment has become patently anti-Christian. I can cite example after example, but whether domestically or internationally, the U.S. government is obviously committed to an anti-Christian agenda.

Where the federal government once respected Christianity and vowed to not interfere with the faith and practices of Christian people, it has now become an archenemy of religious liberty.

With virtually every constitutional safeguard being violated by the modern federal government, about all that is left is for the constitutional prohibition of government business being conducted on Sundays to be expunged...and that's right around the corner from the looks of things.
I have nothing to add pro or con to this thought. But I will offer this; This was a well written post. No names, no bullshit. (I've been sucked into this recently) Just one mans opinion..

Nice job and shit.
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Old 02-09-2012, 6:19pm   #45
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Oops! Sorry. I was looking for OT. I guess I accidentally PR&C. My bad.
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Old 02-09-2012, 6:47pm   #46
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it just gets funnier and funnier as each day passes.
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Old 02-09-2012, 7:45pm   #47
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it just gets funnier and funnier as each day passes.
yuk it up tundra boy...

America goes down and the swirling will be so huge and far reaching...you will be sucked down the drain like a grain of sand.

I don't wish it...I don't hope it...but do not be ignorant.
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I have nothing to add pro or con to this thought. But I will offer this; This was a well written post. No names, no bullshit. (I've been sucked into this recently) Just one mans opinion..

Nice job and shit.


Julian is awesome.

what a joy it would be to worship with him and his family some day. I never met the man and have learned from him.

I'd be a better man if I posted and articulated as well as he.
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Old 02-09-2012, 7:55pm   #49
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No doubt part of Obama's re-election strategy and shit....
As explained when the plan was proposed they have the phone numbers of these people and intend to use the phones for campaigning.
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Old 02-09-2012, 8:13pm   #50
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I honestly don't understand how someone can believe, with all their heart, that their religion is the only way into the afterlife/heaven/whatever.

Most religions confuse me. On one hand they preach peace, kindness, etc...and on the other they condemn those who don't believe the same thing they do. It's baffling.
It's a combination of ancient history...scripture...and faith.

personally, I find it all very captivating from a historical sense. this history, found in both religious and non religious writings...makes my faith journey an interesting one.
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Old 02-09-2012, 8:16pm   #51
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I honestly don't understand how someone can believe, with all their heart, that their religion is the only way into the afterlife/heaven/whatever.

Most religions confuse me. On one hand they preach peace, kindness, etc...and on the other they condemn those who don't believe the same thing they do. It's baffling.
It is, indeed, a quandry. A quandry amongst many, many quandries, which is why I stopped believing.

Count me as a lost soul.

No matter; if there is a "true religion," there can only be one since all the ones I have looked at are mutually exclusive, and they all seem to teach that unless you do certain things or believe a certain key philosophy, you cannot be saved. Therefore, the vast majority of everyone who has ever lived, is living now, and will ever live, will be spending an eternity in the hell of the one true religion.

Being the rather lazy person I am, I probably became a nonbeliever just so that I wouldn't have to spend a lot of time and thought examining all of the religions so that I could logically pick the right religion, the one that I felt was the "one true religion."

Sure hope the rest of you picked the right one. You did spend some time examining all of them, right? Eternity is at stake. At least don't just pick the one that your parents chose, because they probably didn't spend a whole lot of time comparing religions before choosing one, either.

See you all in hell.
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Old 02-09-2012, 8:16pm   #52
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The program has been around for a while. That being said, it F'n infuriates me.
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Old 02-09-2012, 8:19pm   #53
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Get your relocation plans ready folks. This country doesn't have much longer, sadly.
Where would you go?
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Oh I know the history - I just don't how people can honestly think they're being kind when they tell someone they're going to to go Hell unless they believe in something.
maybe they are not being honest...or kind.


not much different than a non believer telling a believer he is not going to heaven because he does believe in something.
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maybe they are not being honest...or kind.


not much different than a non believer telling a believer he is not going to heaven because he does believe in something.
I never said that. I just said that making it into heaven depends on picking the right religion.

Think about it.
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How many people actually do that?
non believers can be quite outspoken. I was just pointing out the flip side to your post.


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I would consider them assholes.
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How many people actually do that?

I would consider them assholes.
I'm not telling anyone what they should believe. I'm just recanting what led me to no longer believe.

One more thing. If you do not want to lose your faith, do NOT spend any time looking at other religions. The more you put them up against one another and examine their common elements, and the timeline of their origin and geographical proximity of when they existed, the less any of them continue to make any sense.
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I never said that. I just said that making it into heaven depends on picking the right religion.
Think about it.
you are welcome to have this opinion.
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you are welcome to have this opinion.


And you, yours. I truly mean that.
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I honestly don't understand how someone can believe, with all their heart, that their religion is the only way into the afterlife/heaven/whatever.

Most religions confuse me. On one hand they preach peace, kindness, etc...and on the other they condemn those who don't believe the same thing they do. It's baffling.
That's one of the reasons that turned me off.

When I was younger my mother tried to sit me down and tell me about her beliefs(Greek Orthodox).
I asked her if she believed her God was the only and real God. She said yes.
I thought for a moment and said...right now there is a mother and her son sitting at the kitchen table having this same discussion. But they are of different religious beliefs than you. What makes you right and her wrong?
She didn't really have an answer to me.

Since then it's one less thing I need to try and wrap my head around as to me there has been no hard proof of anything. I live my life believing in things that have been proven and are fact. Like C6 says...see you in hell.

Then again, I couldn't care what anyone's beliefs are as long as they don't preach it to me or others.
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