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As far as Iraq, the sum total of his foreign policy is dismal. |
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What are you even arguing? He won, by a substantial margin, among voters that chose to be informed and make choices based on issues (the Independents). Your stance was that he lost because the R party was a "damn mess." If that was the case, winning the (I) vote would simply not have happened. He lost because of an uninformed electorate who voted because they were bombarded nonstop with shit against him and for his opponent... which is EXACTLY what I said would happen long ago. With the favoritism shown to obama and the complete lack of reporting anything negative against him, the R party had ZERO chance, no matter who the candidate was, of winning the casual voter. |
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But if that's how you see it, then someone had better wise up and figure out how to win within the current system or fold up their tent and go home wouldn't you say? Blaming is for kids, and it's weak. You wouldn't remember it, you're too young. The Democrats went through this same problem in the 80's when Reagan was stomping the shit out of everyone. FWIW Red, I respect your opinion. While I don't agree with you 100%, some of your arguments are certainly valid. However, some of them are coming off as "Sour Grapes" to me. Carry on VBPRC. Back to OT where it's a little more fun. |
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It isn't placing blame, it is giving a reason. It is a real shame that the media is what it is and this is the case, but it is something that the R party knew damn well was going to happen and they didn't find a way around it. They had a better candidate in pretty much every possible way running against what is by the numbers one of the worst Presidents of all time. Even with that, they let an ignorant, uninformed electorate pick the other guy. That is their fault. I don't say otherwise. I think BOTH parties need to fold up their tents. As long as you have a straight 2 party system, you will have nothing but the "your side" vs. "my side" bullshit that we have now with neither actually giving a damn about the country as long as their side "wins". It isn't sour grapes in the least if you are speaking in terms of "my guy" losing. This is America. Differing opinions are what make us great. Sometimes you are on the side in power, sometimes not. What I do have is a genuine disappointment in how completely f*cked up the political system in this country has become and a worry for where we are headed. How are we ever going to survive as a nation when elections are decided by an uninformed electorate who vote based on what celebrities and the media tell them to vote for? I had a slim hope that we were still above that. We aren't. |
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Now look at Romney. His only experience with foreign countries is shipping jobs to Asia and dodging taxes with in offshore accounts. He spent a week in Europe during the Olympics and pissed of just about every foreign leader he spoke with. Quote:
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I tend to think this is a cop out. It says that there is nothing wrong with the party platform or message. The MSM is just out to get us.
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I agree. Much better to change our platform and lie to the electorate so that we can get back into office. Or we could just run as Democrats, since that's already their platform. GMAFB. |
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Not sure what part of that is a cop out. |
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