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Old 06-13-2016, 6:40am   #81
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You want to know why this is a political discussion?

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3. CNN reports that Mateen was a known ISIS sympathizer.
It is because of a bunch of idealistic f**kwads that we KNOW things like this and yet he is still allowed to be walking around. We are so goddamn wrapped up in the politically correct BS that we won't even call a spade a spade. This P.O.S. and his entire P.O.S. family should have been dumped back in the chithole they climbed out of but no... that would be too mean. That would be profiling. That would be insensitive. THIS is why it is political.

All of these idealistic, liberal f**ks need to open their eyes.

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Every time I read this or something like it I wanna rip my beautiful hair out.

Don't you see the flaw in this logic? IF YOU'RE COUNTING ON THE ARMED INDIVIDUAL TO CURB THESE TRAGEDIES WE'VE ALREADY FAILED AS A SOCIETY
People are flawed. There is no unicorn fart big enough to stop people from doing terrible, despicable things. That society will never exist. What we CAN do is try to limit the damage.

Do you think that this guy could have killed 50 people in a biker bar in Texas? Do you think he would have even tried? I'd be willing to bet that there wasn't a single person in that club who was carrying. What if even 5 had been... even 1? What could have been different if someone in the front row of the theater in Colorado had been carrying? How many lives could have been saved if someone at that Christmas party had a little .380 in their pocket?

It's not a perfect solution, not even close, but it's what we have. Even if someone carrying doesn't actually shoot them and take them out, it makes them pause. It puts them on the defensive. It gives time for someone to escape that otherwise wouldn't have or even a chance for someone to step up and be a hero.

This guy stood there taking deliberate pot shots at HELPLESS people who were completely powerless to do anything about it.

That is unacceptable.
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Red Goat you make excellent points but I'm going back to my thought with a little more explanation; we've failed as a society when we don't kick people like this f***wad out of the country the INSTANT we identify them as a potential threat. 'We've got armed citizens!' is long long after the real problem has occurred.
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Red Goat you make excellent points but I'm going back to my thought with a little more explanation; we've failed as a society when we don't kick people like this f***wad out of the country the INSTANT we identify them as a potential threat. 'We've got armed citizens!' is long long after the real problem has occurred.
With that I agree.

I may have slightly misinterpreted your original post.
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Red Goat you make excellent points but I'm going back to my thought with a little more explanation; we've failed as a society when we don't kick people like this f***wad out of the country the INSTANT we identify them as a potential threat. 'We've got armed citizens!' is long long after the real problem has occurred.
The problem is that Americans work on impulse and the snippets of information that your choice of left or right media feeds you.
We don't do things for the collective good any more. Lawyers have seen to that. Suing everyone and everything in sight-so that it's impossible to design anything for the majority, you have to design and accept anything anything.
You want to make America great again ? Get rid of the sleazy lawyers.
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While surfing cable news this morning I heard one idiot refer to the gun as an AK15.
GUN?

Hmmm...

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THIS one's for shooting, THIS one's for fun.
Failure to remember that was not pleasant.
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This guy was investigated by the FBI and was on a watch list, but still able to legally purchase firearms. FAIL.
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There were a lot of reasons to have locked up this individual awhile ago... or place 24/7 watch on him. But, there was a good chance that he and his father would be voting for democrats in the upcoming election... so there's that.

Thomas,
CCW would of saved the lives of a few... and that's all it's intended to do. It is to protect an individual... and not serve as a protection force.

The wide force of protection would have to come from our Presidents mandates... and trickle on down to the local level. He's a 21st century democrat, and votes for his party are more important than anything else (it ain't gonna happen).
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Are you aware of the anti-American youtube video show that the father put out? Several episodes. yet he has the balls to say his son wasn't very religious blah blah blah. He was raised in an anti-American family with anti-Christian ideology. This should not have been a surprise to anyone. Now consider how many more of him are walking in the same grocery store as us.
That's ok, I will toss a ham or bacon at him......
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A lot of you are advocating banishing all Muslims from the US. I don't know how you'd even begin such a monumental task. As a practical matter - Freedom of Religion is the 1st Amendment. Restricting religious practices is forbidden, right? These people can hang out at a mosque all damn day long if they wanna.

But this guy was clearly an individual who we should have removed. He was interviewed twice for expressing sympathy for a suicide bomber. Guys like this gotta go.
The 1952 Immigration laws state that no one who is a member of a religion that support Polygamy is allowed in the USA.

Yet we are wiling to bring 200K Muslims into America, feed them, cloth them and house them.

Why are we breaking the law?
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Every time I read this or something like it I wanna rip my beautiful hair out.

Don't you see the flaw in this logic? IF YOU'RE COUNTING ON THE ARMED INDIVIDUAL TO CURB THESE TRAGEDIES WE'VE ALREADY FAILED AS A SOCIETY
Dam man those people were GAYS. A good bet 99 44/100% of then were card carrying democrats and love/push the idea of gun control. The only gun most of them approve of is the one going in and out of their asses!

He would have had a much smaller kill/wounded count if that asshole tied to shoot up a redneck bar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I must remind you that the two individuals (Obama and Clinton) have at least 200 guns guarding them at all times making statements that us peons shouldn't have the same ability to protect ourselves.

As said before, funny how a motorcycle bar wasn't the target of choice. Soft targets like schools and clubs that generally deal with liberal views are easy pickings if you want to make a name for yourself.

In other news, a black guy set a couple of white guys on fire near Baltimore. You may have to search the back page for that article.
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...He's a 21st century democrat, and votes for his party are more important than anything else.
This started well before the 21st century. You only need to look at the machine politics of Chicago going back decades to see the model our President learned from.

The sad reality is that we have likely passed the tipping point. A Clinton victory will confirm that.
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The sad thing about this is, nothing will change among the "big tent" Dem party. The GBLTorque community won't put things together and say, why the Hell are we in the same tent with people who want to import hundreds of thousands more of people like this.

I can't figure out if that is self loathing, or maybe common core math failure where they can't put two and two together. Trump might be a douchebag, but he's a douchebag who says he will put a halt to bringing in more people like the Orlando shooter, vs. Hillary who promises to bring in lots more.

If you are a identity voter that votes primarily on the gay issue, why the Hell would you consider voting for Hillary, especially after this?
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The 1952 Immigration laws state that no one who is a member of a religion that support Polygamy is allowed in the USA.

Yet we are wiling to bring 200K Muslims into America, feed them, cloth them and house them.

Why are we breaking the law?
There's good arguments being made here. Yours isn't one of them. Read my post again. Better yet, read the 1st amendment.

Read it again?


Good.
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There's good arguments being made here. Yours isn't one of them. Read my post again. Better yet, read the 1st amendment.

Read it again?


Good.
The Constitution isn't a suicide pact. Any sovereign nation has the right (and duty) to control who comes in. We have been failing at that, and because of that, 50 people are dead today. More will die because of our past failures, but we can do something, start today, and stop making the same mistake. Unfortunately we can't stop the ongoing mistake until Jan. 20, 2017.
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The Constitution isn't a suicide pact. Any sovereign nation has the right (and duty) to control who comes in. We have been failing at that, and because of that, 50 people are dead today. More will die because of our past failures, but we can do something, start today, and stop making the same mistake. Unfortunately we can't stop the ongoing mistake until Jan. 20, 2017.
My point was the wholesale removal of all Muzzies. Nothing more.

And incidentally? The 1952 Imigration Act is a Cold War relic.
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This started well before the 21st century. You only need to look at the machine politics of Chicago going back decades to see the model our President learned from.
Oh, I understand. The thing that has changed/is-new is that the top person in our federal govt is now directing this... to the entire country.

The part of it for me is that people voted for this Muslim sympathiser the first time.... and a double for voting for him the second (third, fourth, tenth) time.
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You want to know why this is a political discussion?

This:



It is because of a bunch of idealistic f**kwads that we KNOW things like this and yet he is still allowed to be walking around. We are so goddamn wrapped up in the politically correct BS that we won't even call a spade a spade. This P.O.S. and his entire P.O.S. family should have been dumped back in the chithole they climbed out of but no... that would be too mean. That would be profiling. That would be insensitive. THIS is why it is political.

All of these idealistic, liberal f**ks need to open their eyes.



People are flawed. There is no unicorn fart big enough to stop people from doing terrible, despicable things. That society will never exist. What we CAN do is try to limit the damage.

Do you think that this guy could have killed 50 people in a biker bar in Texas? Do you think he would have even tried? I'd be willing to bet that there wasn't a single person in that club who was carrying. What if even 5 had been... even 1? What could have been different if someone in the front row of the theater in Colorado had been carrying? How many lives could have been saved if someone at that Christmas party had a little .380 in their pocket?

It's not a perfect solution, not even close, but it's what we have. Even if someone carrying doesn't actually shoot them and take them out, it makes them pause. It puts them on the defensive. It gives time for someone to escape that otherwise wouldn't have or even a chance for someone to step up and be a hero.

This guy stood there taking deliberate pot shots at HELPLESS people who were completely powerless to do anything about it.

That is unacceptable.
In Florida it is illegal to carry in a bar, casino type establishment (even with CC). As much as I'd like to carry in a bar or club. I'd be breaking a law and could face jail time and can guarantee confiscation of my firearm and my CC revoked.

I absolutely understand your point and this is not to debate, but how can we just break the laws intended to keep us safe. I'm not sure that we should be self policing right now. Some day (God I hope not) we might have to, but we aren't better to stoop to that level to just break the laws. I carry, but I do it per the laws set.

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This happened 5 mins from my high school, 10 mins from the home I grew up in. Orange ave is the street all the night life happens. Gay, straight..... Shouldn't matter. Multiple lives lost and more injured. Thoughts and prayers to the victims...... Hoping as the day goes on I don't receive news of a friend being a victim.
Thankfully, all of my friends are accounted for in that area. Not sure if any of their circle of friends have been affected but I am happy that the people I know in Orlando are safe.

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Dam man those people were GAYS. A good bet 99 44/100% of then were card carrying democrats and love/push the idea of gun control. The only gun most of them approve of is the one going in and out of their asses!

He would have had a much smaller kill/wounded count if that asshole tied to shoot up a redneck bar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Really????? You think you could be a little more vulgar?

Not everyone may fit your description I have been to that bar to show support for friends, have also been there for cirque du loe type shows.
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In Florida it is illegal to carry in a bar, casino type establishment (even with CC). As much as I'd like to carry in a bar or club. I'd be breaking a law and could face jail time and can guarantee confiscation of my firearm and my CC revoked.

I absolutely understand your point and this is not to debate, but how can we just break the laws intended to keep us safe. I'm not sure that we should be self policing right now. Some day (God I hope not) we might have to, but we aren't better to stoop to that level to just break the laws. I carry, but I do it per the laws set.



Thankfully, all of my friends are accounted for in that area. Not sure if any of their circle of friends have been affected but I am happy that the people I know in Orlando are safe.



Really????? You think you could be a little more vulgar?

Not everyone may fit your description I have been to that bar to show support for friends, have also been there for cirque du loe type shows.
I tell it like it is, you do not like it that's your problem. My biggest point in which went miles over your head was that most gays are democratic ass kissers and as a group support gun control. Do you think that they will learn from this?
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My point was the wholesale removal of all Muzzies. Nothing more.

And incidentally? The 1952 Imigration Act is a Cold War relic.
It's still the law.
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