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[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Murray

No need to be a dick.

So John, what number of deaths do you think it’s acceptable for today’s measures?

What ever number you pick it sounds like you think it’ll stop the day the measures are in place.

You do know that if they wait until then, it’s way too late.

Don't mean to be a dick.


I live right next to the ocean, if we have a Sunami O.C it will look like Lake Tahoe. It could happen while we're all asleep. I sleep like a baby. The Media sells Sensationalism always has and always will. I work Hospice and see death all the time. I have no fear of death, disease, driving on the freeway, or hearing about thousands of people dying of the flu every year. I don't carry a gun with me worrying about someone harming me. I don't lock my doors and windows. And i don't let the media dictate the way i feel. You be cautious and i'll live the way i have for 68 years.

[Rikki Z-06]

Originally Posted by MadInNc

Send Porter

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

People getting a vaccine would save thousands of lives too, but how many people still don't vaccinate?

I see your point, but apples meet oranges.


Slippery argument, how many peoples lives would be saved if we took away guns> not going there.

You do understand that people were left to die because there are not enough resources to treat them, have you seen the obituaries in Italy? This is NOT the FLU, people do not die in these numbers in this short of time from any FLU we have seen since I was born.

The government doesn’t force people to get vaccinated or confine them to their house if they show any symptoms of the flu. They’re forcing stuff on us now that’s unprecedented in this country, to the point of destroying the economy for what might happen.

There are lots of reasons why a comparison between Italy and the U.S. is deeply flawed.

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Where's my hug?


You skeerd I gots the COVID .

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Don't mean to be a dick.


I live right next to the ocean, if we have a Sunami O.C it will look like Lake Tahoe. It could happen while we're all asleep. I sleep like a baby. The Media sells Sensationalism always has and always will. I work Hospice and see death all the time. I have no fear of death, disease, driving on the freeway, or hearing about thousands of people dying of the flu every year. I don't carry a gun with me worrying about someone harming me. I don't lock my doors and windows. And i don't let the media dictate the way i feel. You be cautious and i'll live the way i have for 68 years.

I made it to "Don't mea..."

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Mick

Italy has been having death rates of 16,000 to 25,000 per year from the Flu for the last several years. They have a very old population, among other contributing factors. Here's a study for you:

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S...328-5/fulltext

Oh honey, please don't, you REALLY want to do this?


OH, here goes.


The "study" you link>

Cliffs - 5,290,000 cases, 69K deaths, but did you read that was from 2013 to 2017? you are comparing fatality rates over 5 years to a virus that hit us less than a month ago????


So, you are kinda helping my argument here sweet cheeks,


Italy has 4825 deaths (over 793 TODAY).

[Rikki Z-06]

Went shopping today, all was good no shortages, gun fights, wrestling matches etc.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Raazor

I made it to "Don't mea..."

I made it to "i made it"

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Oh honey, please don't, you REALLY want to do this?


OH, here goes.


The "study" you link>

Cliffs - 5,290,000 cases, 69K deaths, but did you read that was from 2013 to 2017? you are comparing fatality rates over 5 years to a virus that hit us less than a month ago????


So, you are kinda helping my argument here sweet cheeks,


Italy has 4825 deaths (over 793 TODAY).

They have more death of hunger than that in one hour in Africa. I won't go to Italy or Africa.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Here are two excellent articles from knowledgeable (not media or government) sources about the virus:

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine...9-1b767def5894

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/...hvZpNNMT6Nrx6Q


Cliffs for Raazor: We're grossly overreacting to lies, hype and fear from the media and politicians.

What I think some people here are missing, is more or less the entire point of both articles. Neither of them are an indictment of what our Health Care Industry in general, and our care providers in particular are doing. The point of both articles as I see it IS that our so-called "political leaders" are implementing some extreme measures to limit what we the people can do, when they have NO IDEA if what they are implementing is doing more harm than good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, flattening the curve, and blah, blah, blah, I get it, and it would make sense except for the fact that our "cost benefit analysis" is short on data on both sides, and NO ONE involved in the decision process is looking at the cost side.

Here's a bit of reality from a career Finance guy: When this country goes into a recession, people die as a result. For a wide variety of reasons. Their health insurance becomes unaffordable, so they don't pay it, and they are not healthy enough or savvy enough to navigate the Medicaid system, and they die of treatable chronic problems. People can't afford to pay their heat, and freeze to death. People can't afford AC, and die of heat prostration. The reasons are legion, but the reality is that if you **** up the US economy, thousands upon thousands of people die as a result. This is exactly why ****heads like Bill Maher are despicable people, they are willing to knowingly have thousands of people die just to get "their" candidate in office.

[C3C7NIC]

To be clear, I am not promoting fear mongering or spreading of false information of the media. I however support social distancing.

Any of you have other suggestions to flatten the curve?

Is it the social distancing you are displeased with or other things in general?

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

They have more death of hunger than that in one hour in Africa. I won't go to Italy or Africa.

Starvation isn't contagious John~E.

[Old Ben]

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Starvation isn't contagious John~E.

It is in Africa.

[bigblock427]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

If you're talking about PPE like masks and such, a lot of that stuff comes from China - the same China that was completely shut down for over 2 months and is now consuming all their masks and equipment internally rather than exporting it to the rest of the world.

That is my point exactly. We allow one of our two biggest adversaries manufacture so much of what we consume. Both essential and non-essential items. I will never agree with that. Then shit hits the fan and we can't ramp up manufacturing in our own country to make what we need. We asked for a shit storm and we got it.

Originally Posted by Rikki Z-06

Zup Brobot? Got Blondie hooked on these, 6.9%.



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Your blondie sounds like a great gal. You have to be way over chicked.

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

People getting a vaccine would save thousands of lives too, but how many people still don't vaccinate?

I see your point, but apples meet oranges.


Slippery argument, how many peoples lives would be saved if we took away guns> not going there.

You do understand that people were left to die because there are not enough resources to treat them, have you seen the obituaries in Italy? This is NOT the FLU, people do not die in these numbers in this short of time from any FLU we have seen since I was born.

That last sentence is BS. Many more people died from the Black Plague. I know you were young then, but certainly you remember that?

[bigblock427]

Now for a lighter side of this subject.

Babies born in the coming months due to the self isolation will be know as the Corona generation. Girls will be salt and boys will be lime. They might even have that on their birth certificates.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Mick

What I think some people here are missing, is more or less the entire point of both articles. Neither of them are an indictment of what our Health Care Industry in general, and our care providers in particular are doing. The point of both articles as I see it IS that our so-called "political leaders" are implementing some extreme measures to limit what we the people can do, when they have NO IDEA if what they are implementing is doing more harm than good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, flattening the curve, and blah, blah, blah, I get it, and it would make sense except for the fact that our "cost benefit analysis" is short on data on both sides, and NO ONE involved in the decision process is looking at the cost side.

Here's a bit of reality from a career Finance guy: When this country goes into a recession, people die as a result. For a wide variety of reasons. Their health insurance becomes unaffordable, so they don't pay it, and they are not healthy enough or savvy enough to navigate the Medicaid system, and they die of treatable chronic problems. People can't afford to pay their heat, and freeze to death. People can't afford AC, and die of heat prostration. The reasons are legion, but the reality is that if you **** up the US economy, thousands upon thousands of people die as a result. This is exactly why ****heads like Bill Maher are despicable people, they are willing to knowingly have thousands of people die just to get "their" candidate in office.

The financial fallout from this will be something I cannot imagine.


But AGAIN, the question that presents itself:

What would you have done different than the president, state and local officials?

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by Mick

What I think some people here are missing, is more or less the entire point of both articles. Neither of them are an indictment of what our Health Care Industry in general, and our care providers in particular are doing. The point of both articles as I see it IS that our so-called "political leaders" are implementing some extreme measures to limit what we the people can do, when they have NO IDEA if what they are implementing is doing more harm than good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, flattening the curve, and blah, blah, blah, I get it, and it would make sense except for the fact that our "cost benefit analysis" is short on data on both sides, and NO ONE involved in the decision process is looking at the cost side.

Here's a bit of reality from a career Finance guy: When this country goes into a recession, people die as a result. For a wide variety of reasons. Their health insurance becomes unaffordable, so they don't pay it, and they are not healthy enough or savvy enough to navigate the Medicaid system, and they die of treatable chronic problems. People can't afford to pay their heat, and freeze to death. People can't afford AC, and die of heat prostration. The reasons are legion, but the reality is that if you **** up the US economy, thousands upon thousands of people die as a result. This is exactly why ****heads like Bill Maher are despicable people, they are willing to knowingly have thousands of people die just to get "their" candidate in office.

thanks

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

They have more death of hunger than that in one hour in Africa. I won't go to Italy or Africa.

Italy is a shithole

[Mick]

Originally Posted by C3C7NIC

Oh honey, please don't, you REALLY want to do this?


OH, here goes.


The "study" you link>

Cliffs - 5,290,000 cases, 69K deaths, but did you read that was from 2013 to 2017? you are comparing fatality rates over 5 years to a virus that hit us less than a month ago????


So, you are kinda helping my argument here sweet cheeks,


Italy has 4825 deaths (over 793 TODAY).

Perspective is everything I suppose, as I think your data helps my position.

Let's take a look at what you just posted, shall we?

5,290,000 cases, 69K deaths, but did you read that was from 2013 to 2017? you are comparing fatality rates over 5 years to a virus that hit us less than a month ago????

69,000 / 5,290,000 = 1.3% mortality rate. Basically what today's US data is suggesting, which is likely to go down now that testing has been expanded dramatically.

Italy has 4825 deaths (over 793 TODAY).

Yes, about one fifth of the annual deaths they have been experiencing recently.

Do these things mean that was should do nothing? No. But do they justify ****ing up a hundred million people's lives (so far) and destroying the US economy? NO.

In other words, there is no data there, or in any other study I can find, to support your assertion that this bug is so dramatically different from other bugs that have been killing tens of thousands of Italians per year recently.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

I made it to "i made it"

You are both troopers. I saw your avatars and moved to the next post.

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by aerovette

You are both troopers. I saw your avatars and moved to the next post.

[Rikki Z-06]

[QUOTE=bigblock427;1744612]That is my point exactly. We allow one of our two biggest adversaries manufacture so much of what we consume. Both essential and non-essential items. I will never agree with that. Then shit hits the fan and we can't ramp up manufacturing in our own country to make what we need. We asked for a shit storm and we got it.




Your blondie sounds like a great gal. You have to be way over chicked.

I am.