Holy hell..."Precious" just took the stand for the prosecution...

[RED-85-Z51]

Precious is going down...

She says that the Martins Attorney had asked her if she felt this was a racially motivated thing...however in the official transscripts and recordings..there is no record of that question. Meaning that he never recorded that question.

this is going really well for my Boy G-Zimm

[...Whitepower...]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Anyone else seeing this?
.

No, we are working..

[xXBUDXx]

This is painful to watch..........

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

No, we are working..

I need updates!

[onedef92]

Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call

US June 26, 2013

SANFORD, Fla. — A friend who was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman testified that she heard the Miami teen shout, "Get off! Get off!" before his telephone went dead.

Rachel Jeantel, 19, recounted to jurors in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial how Martin told her he was being followed by a man as he walked through the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome complex on his way back from a convenience store to the home of his father's fiancee.

Jeantel is considered one of the prosecution's most important witnesses because she was the last person to talk to Martin before his encounter with Zimmerman on Feb. 26, 2012. She testified that Martin described the man following him as "a creepy-ass cracker" and he thought he had evaded him. But she said a short time later Martin let out a profanity.

Martin said Zimmerman was behind him and she heard Martin ask: "What are you following me for?" She then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece drop into the grass and she heard him say, "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said.

Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder for killing Martin. Zimmerman followed him in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.

Zimmerman has claimed self-defense, saying he opened fire after the teenager jumped him and began slamming his head against the concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic and has denied that his confrontation with the black teenager had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and its supporters have claimed.

Jeantel's testimony came after two former neighbors of Zimmerman testified Wednesday about hearing howls and shouts for help in the moments before the shooting. Jayne Surdyka told the court that immediately before the shooting, she heard an aggressive voice and a softer voice exchanging words for several minutes in an area behind her townhome at the Retreat at Twin Lakes.

"It was someone being very aggressive and angry at someone," she said. During the struggle, she said, she saw a person in dark clothes on top of the other person. Martin was wearing a dark sweatshirt and Zimmerman wore red clothing. Surdyka said she saw the person who was on top get off the body after the shot was fired.

Surdyka said she heard cries for help and then multiple gunshots: "pop, pop, pop." Only one shot was fired in the fatal encounter. "I truly believe the second yell for help was a yelp," said Surdyka, who later dabbed away tears as prosecutors played her 911 call. "It was excruciating. I really felt it was a boy's voice."

During cross-examination, defense attorney Don West tried to show there was a lapse in what Surdyka saw. Defense attorneys contend Martin was on top of Zimmerman during the struggle, but after the neighborhood watch volunteer fired a shot, Zimmerman got on top of Martin.

West also challenged Surdyka about her belief that the cry for help was a boy's voice, saying she was making an assumption. The other neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin, saying he was the bigger of the two based on pictures she saw of Martin on television after the fight. Manalo also described hearing howling, but she couldn't tell who it was coming from, and then a "help sound" a short time later.

Under cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked why Manalo had never mentioned her belief that Zimmerman was on top in previous police interviews. He also got her to concede that her perception of Martin's size was based on five-year-old photos on television that showed a younger and smaller Martin.

Martin's parents have said they believe the cries for help heard by neighbors came from their son, while Zimmerman's father believes the cries belong to his son. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys believe they could show whether Zimmerman or Martin was the aggressor in the encounter. Defense attorneys successfully argued against allowing prosecution experts who claimed the cries belonged to Martin.

Jeantel on Wednesday testified that she believed the cries were Martin's because "Trayvon has kind of a baby voice." The defense attorney challenged that, claiming she was less certain in a previous deposition.

Jeantel, 19, also explained that she had initially lied about her age — she claimed to be 16 — to protect her privacy when she was initially contacted by an attorney for Martin's family to give a recorded statement over the telephone about what she knew about the few moments before Martin's encounter with Zimmerman. She was expected to finish her testimony on Thursday.

While being cross-examined, Jeantel had several testy exchange with West, including one moment when she prompted the defense attorney to ask his next question: "You can go. You can go." Before the February 2012 shooting, Zimmerman had made about a half dozen calls to a nonemergency police number to report suspicious characters in his neighborhood. Judge Debra Nelson on Wednesday ruled that they could be played for jurors.

Prosecutors had argued that the police dispatch calls were central to their case that Zimmerman committed second-degree murder since they showed his state of mind. He was increasingly frustrated with repeated burglaries and had reached a breaking point the night he shot the unarmed teenager, prosecutors say.

Defense attorneys argued that the calls were irrelevant and that nothing matters but the seven or eight minutes before Zimmerman fired the deadly shot into Martin's chest. Seven of the nine jurors and alternates scribbled attentively on their notepads as the calls were played.

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by ...Whitepower...

No, we are working..

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Jay13

Please elaborate.

I admitted that I know virually NOTHING about this case.
I am curious why Red is fascinated by it
I believe one of the few facts the prosecution and defense would agree upon is that the defendant and the victim were alone.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while carrying a badge is asking for trouble.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while not carrying a badge is begging for trouble.
I was tongue in cheek and in poor taste when I suggested he would have been better off at home watching porn, but the fact remains that the defendant put himself in this situation.
Hero or vigilante, I honestly don't care because only two people in the world now what really happended and one is dead.
I wish justice to be done, but I cannot change history or what is going to happen to him.

I don't even know where to start. The way the media has covered this versus what is actually factually known is something that I've never seen before. It's a perfect storm. The term "high-tech lynching" comes to mind. You're right, you don't know a thing about this case, and a quick Google of it isn't going to help you understand anything about it either.

I've been reading a few very good and in-depth websites that have focused on the players in this case. Can you remember a case where a man was declared by police to have acted properly in self defense, and then have a sitting President of the USA come out and all but declare him guilty of murder? Then sic the racial justice arm of the Justice Department to investigate the guy? I sure haven't.

Have you heard of a murder trial taking place where the prime witness was approached by a detective, the State's lead attorney, the victim's mother, her lawyer, and a few others involved in the prosecution and then have all interviews take place with these people present? WTF? Holy witness tampering Batman!

Since you are a lawyer, if you want to see what a judge that is so biased for the prosecution that it could be part of a SNL skit, just take a gander. If you want to see a trial where the State's witnesses all end up testifying for the Defense, take a gander.

The fact is that an entire scheme to extract $$$$$$ was erected by a web of people, with the threat of racial riots if they don't get their way, with the goal of making it so that a certain class of people can no longer defend themselves against another class of people. Zimmerman didn't have a choice of waiting for witnesses to show up. Martin was going MMA style on his cracker ass, smothering him, smashing his head against the sidewalk, and then bumped against Zimmerman's gun. Earlier, when Martin was circling Zimmerman's truck, looking at him menacingly, Martin placed his hand in his waistband in the universal thug language "I'm strapped yo!"

He was just trying to keep an eye on a man he saw in his neighbor's back yard, looking into his window, in the rain, at night. He wasn't "ordered" to stay in his car, hell, the NEN operator testified that he didn't even know he was in a vehicle at any point of the call. He wasn't ordered not to follow Martin, in fact he was asked if he could keep an eye on him until the police arrived. There was home invasions, burglaries, and other serious crimes that had taken place in this small gated community over the last year or so. Zimmerman was the point man for that community, meaning that residents would forward their concerns to Zimmerman and he would report them to the police through their Watch Coordinator.

It was as clear a case of self-defense as could be, yet he made the mistake of shooting a person of the wrong sort, one of the protected class.

I haven't even begun to explain the incredible level of injustice in this case. I don't think the internet could hold it all.

[C5SilverBullet]

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL WITNESS RACHEL GEANTEL 6.26.13 PT.17 (Trayvon GF) - YouTube

[C5SilverBullet]

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

Yup, can you say hood rat?

[SnikPlosskin]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

That's a woman?

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Yup, can you say hood rat?

She contradicted herself at least a dozen times in that video.

[StaticCling]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

It was 1992, yes?


I agree with the majority here. It's ridiculous that this even went to trial. If he's found innocent (1) I think there may be some small groups of people trying to cause trouble, but I think it will be squashed fairly quickly and (2) the black community will be complaining about how he was found innocent because the jury was made up of mostly WHITE women.

You are correct Sandy. My fault.

[RED-85-Z51]

Today the issue is, her deposition from the prosecutuon has her say "I couldnt hear cuz uh duh headphones, not well"...then she says something along the lines of "i heard a lil "get off"....like, barely...a lil get off"....Then the prosecutor says "So this was trayvon saying get off get off?...to which she replies "I couldnt hear trayvon"....now she is saying that she "could" hear trayvon...clearly.

She has been caught with her face in the cookie jar...the jury has been ordered out of the courtroom, and both legal teams are at the bench. Prosecution does NOT want the jury to hear the tape....and Defense wants them to hear it ,and make their minds up for themselvs what they think she said...

[onedef92]

Originally Posted by RED-85-Z51

Today the issue is, her deposition from the prosecutuon has her say "I couldnt hear cuz uh duh headphones, not well"...then she says something along the lines of "i heard a lil "get off"....like, barely...a lil get off"....Then the prosecutor says "So this was trayvon saying get off get off?...to which she replies "I couldnt hear trayvon"....now she is saying that she "could" hear trayvon...clearly.

She has been caught with her face in the cookie jar...the jury has been ordered out of the courtroom, and both legal teams are at the bench. Prosecution does NOT want the jury to hear the tape....and Defense wants them to hear it ,and make their minds up for themselvs what they think she said...

Sounds like a lot of -assed coutroom theatre to me.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

I don't even know where to start. The way the media has covered this versus what is actually factually known is something that I've never seen before. It's a perfect storm. The term "high-tech lynching" comes to mind. You're right, you don't know a thing about this case, and a quick Google of it isn't going to help you understand anything about it either.

I've been reading a few very good and in-depth websites that have focused on the players in this case. Can you remember a case where a man was declared by police to have acted properly in self defense, and then have a sitting President of the USA come out and all but declare him guilty of murder? Then sic the racial justice arm of the Justice Department to investigate the guy? I sure haven't.

Have you heard of a murder trial taking place where the prime witness was approached by a detective, the State's lead attorney, the victim's mother, her lawyer, and a few others involved in the prosecution and then have all interviews take place with these people present? WTF? Holy witness tampering Batman!

Since you are a lawyer, if you want to see what a judge that is so biased for the prosecution that it could be part of a SNL skit, just take a gander. If you want to see a trial where the State's witnesses all end up testifying for the Defense, take a gander.

The fact is that an entire scheme to extract $$$$$$ was erected by a web of people, with the threat of racial riots if they don't get their way, with the goal of making it so that a certain class of people can no longer defend themselves against another class of people. Zimmerman didn't have a choice of waiting for witnesses to show up. Martin was going MMA style on his cracker ass, smothering him, smashing his head against the sidewalk, and then bumped against Zimmerman's gun. Earlier, when Martin was circling Zimmerman's truck, looking at him menacingly, Martin placed his hand in his waistband in the universal thug language "I'm strapped yo!"

He was just trying to keep an eye on a man he saw in his neighbor's back yard, looking into his window, in the rain, at night. He wasn't "ordered" to stay in his car, hell, the NEN operator testified that he didn't even know he was in a vehicle at any point of the call. He wasn't ordered not to follow Martin, in fact he was asked if he could keep an eye on him until the police arrived. There was home invasions, burglaries, and other serious crimes that had taken place in this small gated community over the last year or so. Zimmerman was the point man for that community, meaning that residents would forward their concerns to Zimmerman and he would report them to the police through their Watch Coordinator.

It was as clear a case of self-defense as could be, yet he made the mistake of shooting a person of the wrong sort, one of the protected class.

I haven't even begun to explain the incredible level of injustice in this case. I don't think the internet could hold it all.

Well said. Additionally, I wonder where the EPIC payday the Martins are seeking will come from. It IS all about the payday.

[Z06David]

that neck roll frightens me

[Madmikeee]

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Fasglas

Well said. Additionally, I wonder where the EPIC payday the Martins are seeking will come from. It IS all about the payday.

Ben Crump, Tracy Martin, and Sebrina whatshername have already collected approximately $2 million from the HOA's insurance company in an out-of-court settlement. Essentially extortion money to keep the rioters from burning the complex down.

However, when this is over, George Zimmerman will own two television networks (ABC and NBC...)

[RED-85-Z51]

The Jury has heard the recording...

The Defense is dragging her through the mud, she is PISSED OFF. Everytime the defense asks a question, and gets an answer..he rephrases the question and gets a different answer..the cupid stunt is reeling right now..she's in a flat spin...no hope of recovery. The prosecution wants her off the stand ASAP.