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Old 03-05-2012, 11:46am   #61
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What every one of you fail to realize is the cat is out of the proverbial bag.

Plus it's doesn't matter if it's a girl from MIT or Duluth Community College. IT'S CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN FOR US TO PREVENT UNWANTED KIDS. Hell, I'm all for slipping birth control into corn. Corn =corn tortillas + Mexicans=0 anchor babies.
Like I said...IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY

If people learned a lesson and had to think twice about fecking up their lives maybe it would rub off on others to not make that same mistake. But the government giving everything to the idiots only creates more idiots.

Driving up to go snowmobiling Friday night I had a conversation with my cousin. He was just in the hospital for a few days for a skin rash. He's been on unemployment for almost two years and I had told him before to even get a job at Home Depot so he would at least have benefits. His response was it wasn't worth it because the government pays him more to sit at home. I responded with "you are the problem with this country".
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for a Georgetown University law student complaining about the cost of contraceptives.

She said the cost of contraceptives COULD cost up to $3000 per year. The reality is that on average, it’s somewhere between $10 and $100 per month. If you can’t afford that, then you should think twice about having sex. Drama anyone?

Intelligent people don’t listen to Limbaugh. Or Glenn Beck. Or Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller or Bill Press. They read and make up their own minds.

That is all.
That all said, she's a phony. However, what el Rushbo did was wrong, misogynistic, intolerant, stupid and hateful...like so many of his other rants. That he continues to have any following at all is a testament to the stupidity of the American people.

I have given up on the YouEssofMeh.

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That all said, she's a phony. However, what el Rushbo did was wrong, misogynistic, intolerant, stupid and hateful...like so many of his other rants. That he continues to have any following at all is a testament to the stupidity of the American people.

I have given up on the YouEssofMeh.

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Like I stated earlier. If I'm a conservative, I would tell Rush; "Get off my side"
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I think you are being dishonest with these comments.

What the Washington Post article that you get this from ACTUALLY said was

"Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue.

So Georgetown was her choice for educational reasons. Seems to me like she enrolled IN SPITE of their policy, not because of it. .
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You know the story by now, right? Republicans run the he-man women haters club. As the media has it the story goes like this: poor, unassuming, innocent Georgetown coed, accidentally ends up in front of Congress pleading for “reproductive rights.” Evil mean conservatives led by scalawag Rush Limbaugh unfairly call her a slut and announce a war on women to end their “access to contraception.”



Of course, that’s the left-wing media’s narrative. The real tale is that this is as manufactured a story as you can find, one created for the purpose of assisting Obama and his Democrat cohorts win the upcoming election. It’s all a scam.

The “coed” in question is one Sandra Fluke, a young woman that has been presented as some sort of expert in “reproductive rights” (another one of those faux rights we that have been foisted onto the public debate of late), but is she? Where did Mz Fluke really come from and what is her background? Why was she presented as some sort of “expert” by a sitting Congresswoman, the former Speaker of the House, no less?

The media is presenting this Fluke character as if she is just a fresh-faced, wide-eyed, 23-year-old coed that has been accidentally swept up in this story. But the fact is, this Fluke woman is hardly the simple Georgetown coed that she’s being portrayed as. Fluke has years of big government, left-wing activism under her belt. It’s hardly a “fluke” that she was the one picked to ladle out this coordinated election season campaign game plan.

As early as 2009 Mz. Fluke was involved in left-wing efforts to create the nanny state. As her bio on the Georgetown Law website tells us:


…Sandra is the Development Editor of the Journal of Gender and the Law, and served as the President of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, and the Vice President of the Women’s Legal Alliance. In her first year, she also co-founded a campus committee addressing human trafficking. Cornell University awarded her a B. S. in Policy Analysis & Management, as well as Feminist, Gender, & Sexuality Studies in 2003.

Other notations include her gay rights activism and other “women’s rights” activism. No mention made of her concern for the rights of men, naturally.

She is also not an innocent young kid. She’s 30 years-old despite being reported as but an innocent 23-year-old student.


There’s something else she is not, and that is just an aggrieved student accidentally caught up in this media maelstrom. In fact, she is an activist against conservatives. Last year, for instance, Fluke took her campaign against “conservative” universities on the road and led seminars to that end held at Berkeley. (Thanks JWF)

In other words, we’ve been sold a bill of goods. This woman is a hardcore, middle-aged, political left-winger, not any innocent law student.

Another thing is that Democrats tried to foist this faux “expert” on a congressional committee hearing before. In the middle of February, the House Oversight Committee held a hearing to hear expert testimony on President Obama’s decision to force religious organizations to fund contraception use for employees.

The hearing had actual experts that spoke on both sides of the issue but the meeting was about the Constitutional issue of religious freedom, not so-called “reproductive rights.” Mz. Fluke’s inclusion as a speaker was therefore denied because she is neither an expert on the Constitution, interested in religious freedom, nor is she an actual expert on the medical uses of contraception. She was merely a left-wing activist with no pertinent expertise.

This is why Representative Nancy Pelosi (D, CA) held her own special hearing to give Fluke her platform for activism. Amusingly, while Democrats complained that it was a crime Fluke was not allowed to testify at the earlier hearing, in Pelosi’s dog and pony show, Fluke was the only one allowed to speak. Hypocrisy, thy name is Democrat.

Democrats are also attempting to fund raise off this issue. Democrat National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz recently sent out a fundraising email lamenting: “Why we’re debating a woman’s access to birth control is beyond me.” Schultz lying continued in the letter when she said, “we need to stand up for the women and men whose access to care would be denied if the GOP has their way.”

Of course, those are outright lies. No one is trying to keep women form access to birth control. What Republicans are saying is that there is no reason to expect taxpayers to give free contraception to horny — and rich — Georgetown law students! Or any other student, for that matter, rich or poor. There is no right to taxpayer-funded contraception. Further government has no right to tell private, religious entities that they have to pay for it either despite that it may violate their religious consciences. The Constitution rather prevents such assumed government powers, actually.

Now, we know that this controversy was fueled by Rush Limbaugh’s off handed comments that Fluke (or the coeds she was pleading to get free contraception) are “sluts.” But, injudicious as his comment was, Limbaugh did not start this fire. The Democrats did and chief among them is President Obama whose decision to rip the Constitution to shreds and supplant it with his left-wing powergrab is what started this whole ball rolling.

If President Obama had not decided to summarily dispense with the First Amendment — one of America’s original, founding principles — by Presidential fiat, this discussion would not be in the offing. And why is this the story of the day? Because Obama thinks it is in his best interest to try and keep the GOP portrayed as anti-woman and the Old Media establishment — Obama’s defacto campaign press office — is pleased to help him do that.

This story has been manufactured from day one. It is a false narrative invented in the White House, furthered by the President’s extremist, left-wing Party, and kept rolling by their lapdogs in the Old Media establishment.


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Sandra Fluke Is Really 30 Years Old And Went to Georgetown Knowing Contraception Wasn’t Covered | Video | TheBlaze.com


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But what if she not only decided to attend the university anyway, but decided to attend specifically so she could fight this battle? Consider this passage from an early Washington Post story done on Fluke before she was permitted to testify:


Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue. The issue got the university president’s office last spring, where Georgetown declined to change its policy.

Fluke says she would have used the hearing to talk about the students at Georgetown that don’t have birth control covered, and what that’s meant for them. “I wanted to be able to share their stories,” she says. “My testimony would have been about women who have been affected by their policy, who have medical needs and have suffered dire consequences.. . .The committee did not get to hear real stories I had to share, about actual women who have been dramatically affected by this policy.”

That’s right. It seems Fluke intentionally chose to go to Georgetown so she could agitate and sway them to cover contraceptives. She then went to a hearing as a representative of women who hadn‘t known about Georgetown’s policy until it was too late. Unsympathetic observers might liken this to James O’Keefe attending a hearing to speak against ACORN on behalf of pimps. It certainly raises the question of why the women Fluke claims to speak for couldn’t present their stories for themselves.
PLease show me in the constituion where "reproductive rights are enumirated?

Did she have access to other plans? As a healty 30 YO she could have gotten her OWN plan with whatever SHE wanted. But SHE decied to use the School plan.

The plans cost between 112.00 and 145.00 per month ( I KNOW this because I have quotes on my desk for my daughter. ALL have contraceptive coverage)
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However, what el Rushbo did was wrong, misogynistic, intolerant, stupid and hateful...
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes... but you left out one additional adjective:




















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That all said, she's a phony. However, what el Rushbo did was wrong, misogynistic, intolerant, stupid and hateful...like so many of his other rants. That he continues to have any following at all is a testament to the stupidity of the American people.

I have given up on the YouEssofMeh.

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I don't listen to talking heads on either side. I try to find the facts and put them together myself.
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If Georgetown takes money from the government - and they do - then they should be forced to the same standards as all the other non religious universities.

Georgetown does offer its employees a policy that covers birth control, the policy for the students does not. Keep in mind that this is insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university. In fact many Catholic institutions offer insurance that covers contraception. I think its difficult for them to then take the "high moral ground" when in reality they are already paying for birth control for the faculty.

And she didn't say birth control cost $3,000 a year, she was quoted as saying "Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school". It takes several years to complete law school.

I really don't understand the republican mind set. You don't want insurance companies to pay for birth control and then you don't want social assistance provided when these people have kids. Your only alternative is abstinence, a policy that has never worked in human history. Conservatives think its wrong to kill a fetus but have no problem shitting all over the kid once its brought into the world.

Its a shame more women don't stand up for their own self interest.

And Rush is an asshole. I find it to be the height of hypocrisy to call her a slut just because she wants birth control. This is the same guy that was nailed by US Customs after returning from the Dominican Republic for having Viagra on him that was prescribed to someone else.
It's pretty simple - and yet some people REFUSE to understand.

The employees of the institution - the faculty, administrators, coaches, secretaries, janitors... aren't all necessarily Catholic. Therefore in their personal belief system, birth control and having insurance coverage for that may not be a sin. The school's insurance system respects those beliefs and makes that coverage available to be able to secure the best people for the position. This is not new or unusual -- Ara Parsegian the famous Notre Dame coach was Presbyterian and had wholly divergent beliefs than the Catholic administration of ND. But he won a helluva lot of football games for them.

However, the students of the school are expected to follow the guidelines of the Catholic faith and that's why they choose a Jesuit school. That's the whole point of a faith based university. And it would be wholly inappropriate for the school to enable students to commit what the faith regards as a sin.

Why people cannot simply respect the beliefs of the school and move on is beyond me. If you want to be a Catholic there are some pretty simple basic rules. Just because you personally don't agree with them doesn't mean the Church is going to change for you. It means you may not have the moral fortitude to be a Catholic.

The height of hypocrisy is to claim to be a Catholic, attend a Catholic school and go before Congress and testify that you want the Church to provide the means for you to continually sin.
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are having THAT much sex very well are
So you have assumed 3K went to $1.00/copy condoms. You're correct. Thats a LOT of boot knockin'

What does non condom birth control cost TxAg?
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I really don't understand the republican mind set. You don't want insurance companies to pay for birth control and then you don't want social assistance provided when these people have kids.
I am not a republican (although I do agree with the policies from that side of aisle more often than not), but I think what they want is for these institutions to be able to make their own choices about what their insurance will cover without the feds telling them what they can and cannot do. The students can then take that into consideration when making a choice as to which school they would like to attend.
Social "assistance" is fine for people who just need some temporary help so they can become productive members of society again, but that's not what is happening in this country. We have multiple generations of families who's sole means of income is "free money" from government programs. The more kids they have the more money they get. It has snowballed out of control.

What I want is for the government to intrude on my life (and income) as little as possible, and for the majority of the people in this country to be responsible/productive members of society. Income redistribution and over-regulation does nothing to achieve that, it only makes things worse.
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Again, I'm not defending this chick at all. But some of the arguments here are weak at best.
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I'm surprised this is still on OT.
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It's pretty simple - and yet some people REFUSE to understand.

The employees of the institution - the faculty, administrators, coaches, secretaries, janitors... aren't all necessarily Catholic. Therefore in their personal belief system, birth control and having insurance coverage for that may not be a sin. The school's insurance system respects those beliefs and makes that coverage available to be able to secure the best people for the position. This is not new or unusual -- Ara Parsegian the famous Notre Dame coach was Presbyterian and had wholly divergent beliefs than the Catholic administration of ND. But he won a helluva lot of football games for them.

However, the students of the school are expected to follow the guidelines of the Catholic faith and that's why they choose a Jesuit school. That's the whole point of a faith based university. And it would be wholly inappropriate for the school to enable students to commit what the faith regards as a sin.

Why people cannot simply respect the beliefs of the school and move on is beyond me. If you want to be a Catholic there are some pretty simple basic rules. Just because you personally don't agree with them doesn't mean the Church is going to change for you. It means you may not have the moral fortitude to be a Catholic.

The height of hypocrisy is to claim to be a Catholic, attend a Catholic school and go before Congress and testify that you want the Church to provide the means for you to continually sin.
As soon as they accept $1 from the .gov-it becomes a different animal. Reg-u-la-tions. Should have stayed private and this would have never happened.
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Ignorant comment is ignorant. As usual.



Takes one to know one.



Which is not what he said. More fail for you.



Which has nothing to do with what he said. But normal MO from the progressive left.

Now you are just picking a fight. I said I agree with him and yet you only attack him. Seems like you have a vendetta yes?
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I only use one type of birth control, pulling out.

Works great.

And if/when I get a vasectomy guess who's going to pay for it?

Me. I'm not looking for the gov't to foot the bill.

Novel idea huh?
You didn't answer me. And no .gov should NOT pay for this.

Answer?
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I probably fall on Rush's side of the issue, but he was incredibly stupid to frame it the way he did.
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Ignorant comment is ignorant. As usual.
Not so fast. I don't agree with snippets. THIS was the comment:

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I really don't understand the republican mind set. You don't want insurance companies to pay for birth control and then you don't want social assistance provided when these people have kids. Your only alternative is abstinence, a policy that has never worked in human history. Conservatives think its wrong to kill a fetus but have no problem shitting all over the kid once its brought into the world.
And as stated, there's nothing ignorant about it whatsoever. Conservatives (and I consider myself one, and normally vote Republican BTW) are always fooling themselves into thinking that because kids sign contracts, attend church regularly and "rally 'round the pole" at school that they'll really stop having sex. Which is a joke. The fact is that the only pole these kids are rallying around doesn't have a flag on it.

So when little Betsy gets pregnant because her hypocrite loser boyfriend didn't use protection, what to do? The loser boyfriend ain't paying 'cause he doesn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. And of course...abortion is just wrong...just ask all the people that go to Betsy's church and have her convinced that this isn't even a consideration (along with her parents). So Betsy has the baby. Suddenly, all the good church people that told her how sinful it was to terminate the pregnancy are nowhere to be found (that's a nice way of saying "the kid is YOUR problem"). But it's not that simple. See, Betsy can't afford to raise her kid because she's piss poor too...something that apparently didn't occur to her when her boyfriend was driving her home like a used Buick.

So now she has to go get public assistance...only there's no friggin' money for public assistance. Why? Because the Republican party is always trying to curb public assistance. "Ohhh...that's the job of the PRIVATE SECTOR." That's pretty much shitting all over the kid by proxy.

I'm not saying all cases are like this, but there damn sure are enough of them to make me know better than to follow in lock step with the Republican platform and Phil's comments aren't completely unfounded.

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Rush has never been on my side for a microsecond. The only person on my side is me.
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None of that proves she went there specifically to challenge the policy.

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Please show me in the constitution where "reproductive rights are enumerated?
How about instead I show where a college could be forced to pay for this.

A) Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 3, The Commerce Clause. Congress has the authority, as part of its power to regulate interstate commerce, to set conditions on those who want to engage in such commerce, including the condition that such insurance be provided.

So this would apply to Georgetown, because they engage in, benefit from, and affect such "commerce" by employing people from around the country, enrolling students from around the country, buying equipment and supplies from around the country, etc. In addition, insurance companies are interstate operations, and are subject to Congress’ regulation.

B) Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 1, The Spending Clause. Congress can impose conditions on receipt of Federal funds. For example, grants for education, GI Bill, etc.

So here we have a school taking federal funds for students covered by such programs. They then have to comply with regulations required for these programs. This also brings in the “Necessary and Proper Clause" of Paragraph 18.

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Did she have access to other plans? As a healthy 30 YO she could have gotten her OWN plan with whatever SHE wanted. But SHE decided to use the School plan.
Her own plan likely would cost a single woman of child bearing age several times what the school policy cost. That's hardly an option for a student.

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The plans cost between 112.00 and 145.00 per month ( I KNOW this because I have quotes on my desk for my daughter. ALL have contraceptive coverage)
Don't tell Rush, he'll be calling her a slut.
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Same as it ever was. The far right is dividing America by religion and gender, and the far left by race and class.
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Old 03-05-2012, 1:33pm   #79
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I am not a republican (although I do agree with the policies from that side of aisle more often than not), but I think what they want is for these institutions to be able to make their own choices about what their insurance will cover without the feds telling them what they can and cannot do. The students can then take that into consideration when making a choice as to which school they would like to attend.
Social "assistance" is fine for people who just need some temporary help so they can become productive members of society again, but that's not what is happening in this country. We have multiple generations of families who's sole means of income is "free money" from government programs. The more kids they have the more money they get. It has snowballed out of control.

What I want is for the government to intrude on my life (and income) as little as possible, and for the majority of the people in this country to be responsible/productive members of society. Income redistribution and over-regulation does nothing to achieve that, it only makes things worse.
Perfectly said Kevin!!
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