Immigration reform

[Mark C5]

Originally Posted by prospero63

You didn't say how she came here. That's why I asked. You simply implied that it was easy as cake. I guess what folks need to do to come here then is marry into it or do whatever this nanny did. Because that's apparently the key. Please, elaborate on the requirements.

You may have inferred, but I certainly didn't imply. I made a statement of fact which you responded to in your normal rude manner.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell in Texas

We most certainly DO need all that information collected and all those checks done. There might be a better way, but if the government is involved don't count on them finding it.

Why? We don't do those checks on folks born here? As for your last sentence, I have no idea how to interpret that. Are you implying that only government initiatives find betters ways of doing things? Because if so, I think we have radically different experiences with the government. The government is among the most inefficient and wasteful entities to ever exist. As for saying there might be a better way, does that mean you think the current way is perfect and thus no reform is needed?

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

You may have inferred, but I certainly didn't imply. I made a statement of fact which you responded to in your normal rude manner.

And as is typical, you haven't answered the question, provided any kind of intelligent discourse and are whining that your vagina is sandy.

[Tinkerbell in Texas]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Why? We don't do those checks on folks born here? As for your last sentence, I have no idea how to interpret that. Are you implying that only government initiatives find betters ways of doing things? Because if so, I think we have radically different experiences with the government. The government is among the most inefficient and wasteful entities to ever exist. As for saying there might be a better way, does that mean you think the current way is perfect and thus no reform is needed?

Why would we do those checks on people born here?
Correct me if I'm wrong but they already have the right to live and work here.

Please re-read my last sentence. It says exactly that government is incompetent at best.

No, I don't think the current way is perfect but sometimes you don't want perfection. I certainly don't want to make the process so easy that everyone applies and is accepted, do you?

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell in Texas

Why would we do those checks on people born here?
Correct me if I'm wrong but they already have the right to live and work here.

Sure. The point I'm making is that the scale of eligibility goes from exactly zero qualifications to one hell of a bureaucratic mess. Personally, I think there's probably a solution that resides somewhere closer to the middle that can address any real concerns folks have, while streamlining the process and being more efficient.

Please re-read my last sentence. It says exactly that government is incompetent at best.

No, I don't think the current way is perfect but sometimes you don't want perfection. I certainly don't want to make the process so easy that everyone applies and is accepted, do you?

Gotcha. My bad, misread that.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell in Texas

I certainly don't want to make the process so easy that everyone applies and is accepted, do you?

Let me address this one separately. I honestly don't care if everyone is applied and accepted. If they want to come here to be productive members of society and to make this country better, I say welcome. My position isn't based on a concept of a certain number of rejections being the objective. That said, I don't believe we need a system that goes to that extreme. As I said, I think there's a middle ground that can be more efficiently reached.

I'll give you an example. Migrant farm workers. If they don't have criminal records, are coming here to work the growing season and then go home and they don't get in any trouble when they are here, I don't care if every single person who applies gets accepted, based on that strict example.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Tinkerbell in Texas

K1 Visa (Fiance' Visa)

So I wasn't familiar with this one. It's actually kind of ironic. In the brief research I have done, this one seems to be a "high fraud" visa, because it allows folks to essentially jump the immigration and employment process. It's one that I would think should be included in a reform process. If the immigration and employment process was more efficient, there wouldn't be a need to jump the process. Let's face it, it's not politically convenient to tell the spouse of a US citizen that it may be YEARS before you can legally immigrate here or seek employment. That would probably torpedo the entire concept of a K1 visa. On the "approve them all" front. It sounds like 95% of K1 visa's are approved. That's a pretty good success rate.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Scissors

Some interesting info here:

From 1980 to 1999, the rate of illegal immigration kept rising. From 860,000 in 1980-1984 to 3,080,000 in 1995-1999. After that point, the rate of illegal immigration has been falling, down to 910,000 as of 2005-2008.
Just thought those of you who think we aren't doing anything about it should know.

Of all of the illegal immigrants in the U.S., 62% were originally from Mexico (no surprise). All of the other groups are at 5% or below:
Mexico - 62%
El Salvador - 5%
Guatemala - 4%
Honduras - 3%
Philippines - 2% (obviously a border control issue)
India - 2% (same)
Korea - 2% (same)
Ecuador - 2%
Brazil - 1%
China - 1% (see "Philippines")
Everyone else - 15%

The total number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has dropped from 11,780,000 in Jan 2007, to 10,750,000 in Jan 2009. Good job Obama.

I'll accept your numbers even though I think they are skewed. Still, reflected in those numbers are two dramatically different types of illegals. There are those that overstayed a visa, such as tourists and students, then there are those that never were permitted to enter the US in the first place. The unwashed masses who waded across the Rio Grande from Mexico, Guatamala, El Salvador, etc. come to mind.

"Securing the border" won't do anything to prevent an Indian or Chinese student from not going back home when he/she graduates from a US university, however, it will prevent some of the many poor, uneducated Mexicans and OTM's who come here, bringing their women and children, from setting up shop and latching onto our welfare teat.

Of course, the simpler solution would be to cut off the teat to freeloaders, especially illegal freeloaders, but, well, I guess that would be too easy.

Back before the entitlement culture of "everything is free" to illegals, yes we had illegals come across the border, and they worked a season and went back home to their families with their pocketful of dollars. Now, they just come and stay and suckle on the teat of the American taxpayer.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I'll accept your numbers even though I think they are skewed. Still, reflected in those numbers are two dramatically different types of illegals. There are those that overstayed a visa, such as tourists and students, then there are those that never were permitted to enter the US in the first place. The unwashed masses who waded across the Rio Grande from Mexico, Guatamala, El Salvador, etc. come to mind.

"Securing the border" won't do anything to prevent an Indian or Chinese student from not going back home when he/she graduates from a US university, however, it will prevent some of the many poor, uneducated Mexicans and OTM's who come here, bringing their women and children, from setting up shop and latching onto our welfare teat.

Of course, the simpler solution would be to cut off the teat to freeloaders, especially illegal freeloaders, but, well, I guess that would be too easy.

Back before the entitlement culture of "everything is free" to illegals, yes we had illegals come across the border, and they worked a season and went back home to their families with their pocketful of dollars. Now, they just come and stay and suckle on the teat of the American taxpayer.

I agree with Bill Here. the issue is not immigration reform but entitlement reform.

We have 40 MILLION Americans on some form of Public assistance. End that then open the boarders.

Those people that want to come here and work and strive to get ahead will do well.

The native born deadbeats and immigrants looking for a free ride should be allowed to die of starvation.

One other point I love is the comments form the left that "Why should the children of Illegals have to suffer for their parents mistakes" Yet they support the Death tax on those legal citizens who worked and saved and want to pass along their money to their families. Why should they be punished for doing the right thing and those who did the wrong thing get rewarded?

Lastly Illegals CAN join the military now and get citizenship What I object too is just graduation from college is not enough to earn them that status.

[ChasC5]

The native born deadbeats and immigrants looking for a free ride should be allowed to die of starvation.

Now that you got that out if your system.

What's for dinner.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Now that you got that out if your system.

What's for dinner.

Something I paid for. Not the .gov.

Welfare has destroyed every civilization it was introduced in.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Now that you got that out if your system.

What's for dinner.

Pickled deadbeats.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

Pickled deadbeats.

Enjoy

You may need some Hot Peppers

[VITE1]

I love how Progressives want to have Darwinism taught in schools but denied as a reality in life.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by VITE1

I love how Progressives want to have Darwinism taught in schools but denied as a reality in life.

Really? I didn't know that.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by VITE1

I love how Progressives want to have Darwinism taught in schools but denied as a reality in life.

GREAT LINE, pirated as a by line...../sig file....love it....

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Really? I didn't know that.

You will be amazed at how little you do know. You prove it here daily.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by VITE1

You will be amazed at how little you do know. You prove it here daily.

watching all this anger and rage it's all I need to know to give me entertainment.

Keep it up.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

watching all this anger and rage it's all I need to know to give me entertainment.

Keep it up.

More like disgust and wonder at the waste of oxygen progressives represent.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by VITE1

More like disgust and wonder at the waste of oxygen progressives represent.

I've enjoyed the first 27, and I'm going to love the next 21

You guys are hilarious.