Immigration reform

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Probably 90%.....close enough for conversational numbers.....

That was the same type of thinking that got us in Iraq

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

That was the same type of thinking that got us in Iraq

OH, I went and modded that post, sorry about that....

and WTF does Iraq have to do with it??.....

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by mrvette

OH, I went and modded that post, sorry about that....

and WTF does Iraq have to do with it??.....

Now ... ? Nothing ... not that it ever did.

[RetiredSFC 97]

Originally Posted by Scissors

Some interesting info here:

From 1980 to 1999, the rate of illegal immigration kept rising. From 860,000 in 1980-1984 to 3,080,000 in 1995-1999. After that point, the rate of illegal immigration has been falling, down to 910,000 as of 2005-2008.
Just thought those of you who think we aren't doing anything about it should know.

Of all of the illegal immigrants in the U.S., 62% were originally from Mexico (no surprise). All of the other groups are at 5% or below:
Mexico - 62%
El Salvador - 5%
Guatemala - 4%
Honduras - 3%
Philippines - 2% (obviously a border control issue)
India - 2% (same)
Korea - 2% (same)
Ecuador - 2%
Brazil - 1%
China - 1% (see "Philippines")
Everyone else - 15%

The total number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has dropped from 11,780,000 in Jan 2007, to 10,750,000 in Jan 2009. Good job Obama.

I agree

http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=...mployment+rate

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

It’s due mainly by putting actual humans on the border … imagine that? All we need to do, it put those expensive, highly trained American Troops and utilize some of that expensive technology on our own border and you’ll see those number drop big time.

You sure it's all about boots on the ground and not a crashing economy with fewer and fewer jobs drawing people in?

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

You sure it's all about boots on the ground and not a crashing economy with fewer and fewer jobs drawing people in?

Could be both, but usually the economy doesn't affect the Drug trade. When the drugies run out of money, they just steel for those who have it.

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Could be both, but usually the economy doesn't affect the Drug trade. When the drugies run out of money, they just steel for those who have it.

What does that have to do with Illegal Immigration? Sure there's drugs coming across the border too...but I think it's safe to say the majority of the illegal aliens are here for work, not drug money.

[Scissors]

Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97

I agree

Unemployment - Google public data

So as the number of illegals present has dropped, the number of available jobs has dropped as well.

Fascinating.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Its not hard to think of a realistic solution, its hard to get conservatives to vote for one.

By "realistic solution" are you are referring to the liberal plans that pretty much just make them all legal, no matter what?

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

By "realistic solution" are you are referring to the liberal plans that pretty much just make them all legal, no matter what?

No … I think the requirements here is that they; being the Elected Servants, work and compromise to execute progress on an issue that has gone nowhere for decades. It’s time for all of them to start acting like Adults and remove their head from ass of their benefactors and work for the best interest of all the people and not just their narrow segment.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

No … I think the requirements here is that they; being the Elected Servants, work and compromise to execute progress on an issue that has gone nowhere for decades. It’s time for all of them to start acting like Adults and remove their head from ass of their benefactors and work for the best interest of all the people and not just their narrow segment.

You know what... if I read that correctly, I think we might actually be in agreement for the first time ever.

Joecool's statement about getting conservatives to vote for a solution is crap. Both sides are to blame for this steaming pile of shit that we have today. The current liberal plans are ridiculous and most that I have heard coming from the conservative side aren't much better.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

You know what... if I read that correctly, I think we might actually be in agreement for the first time ever.

Joecool's statement about getting conservatives to vote for a solution is crap. Both sides are to blame for this steaming pile of shit that we have today. The current liberal plans are ridiculous and most that I have heard coming from the conservative side aren't much better.

I say if they don't produce, they don't get paid ... just like everyone else in the real world.

[Mark C5]

I have no claim to have all the answers to solve the problem of illegal immigration but it seems to me that absolutely nothing is being done due to partisan politics. One side says secure the border first and we can talk about the rest later. The other side says protect the "honest" workers and we can take care of the border later.

What I would propose is that we do both at the same time. We need to make it as difficult as possible to work here while in an illegal immigration status. To that end we need a national ID that is as tamper proof as possible. We need tough enforcement of existing laws. You knowingly hire an illegal alien you pay a big fine, face possible jail time and the loss of your business.

Bring the troops back from Afghanistan NOW. Put as many as necessary on the border backing up the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). With that kind of manpower available illegal border crossings will slow to a trickle. ICE also will be able to better screen non border arrivals and would have the available manpower to pursue those who overstay legitimate visas, work permits, etc.

For the people already here illegally I'm not a fan of huge roundups. Instead I would use laws similar to the Arizona law to apprehend those who in some other way interact with law enforcement. What would be left would be a much smaller number than that we are currently dealing with.

Is this a perfect solution? Of course not but I think it could be politically possible and would bring us a long way toward solving the problem.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

I have no claim to have all the answers to solve the problem of illegal immigration but it seems to me that absolutely nothing is being done due to partisan politics. One side says secure the border first and we can talk about the rest later. The other side says protect the "honest" workers and we can take care of the border later.

What I would propose is that we do both at the same time. We need to make it as difficult as possible to work here while in an illegal immigration status. To that end we need a national ID that is as tamper proof as possible. We need tough enforcement of existing laws. You knowingly hire an illegal alien you pay a big fine, face possible jail time and the loss of your business.

Bring the troops back from Afghanistan NOW. Put as many as necessary on the border backing up the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). With that kind of manpower available illegal border crossings will slow to a trickle. ICE also will be able to better screen non border arrivals and would have the available manpower to pursue those who overstay legitimate visas, work permits, etc.

For the people already here illegally I'm not a fan of huge roundups. Instead I would use laws similar to the Arizona law to apprehend those who in some other way interact with law enforcement. What would be left would be a much smaller number than that we are currently dealing with.

Is this a perfect solution? Of course not but I think it could be politically possible and would bring us a long way toward solving the problem.

It's better than doing "nothing".

[Scissors]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

To that end we need a national ID that is as tamper proof as possible.

No, thanks. Any true Republican would be against that as well. RINOs would love it, though.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Scissors

No, thanks. Any true Republican would be against that as well. RINOs would love it, though.

Personally I have no problems with an ID, but the would just give employment to more criminal activity.

[Mark C5]

Originally Posted by Scissors

No, thanks. Any true Republican would be against that as well. RINOs would love it, though.

I've carried a "National" ID card all my adult life. Never caused me a problem or a moment of concern.

[The_Dude]

Originally Posted by RetiredSFC 97

I say we build a moat and throw the SOB in to test it's effectiveness. When he gets eaten we throw Pelosi in to make sure, then one more time with reid just to see if we need to improve anything.

Once it's perfected all liberals go in. Then we can get back to destroying the planet.

[mrvette]

AS I HAVE BEEN TOLD, there already IS a 'national ID card'.....in the form of renewed DRIVERS LICENSES......it has been said here in FLorida that FED regs demand we provide OEM BC, utility billings to prove addy's, and some form of photo ID.....I used my OLD d/l for the last one....

had to have a SS card also entered into system....

given some sort of uniformity among/between states conforming to the new FED standard, DE FACTO we have a national ID card....

in this age of computer, guess what?? been true for maybe 20 years now....just not all that tightly enforced...depending on the state...

guess what else, I don't think it's a threat to individuals....in and of itself...

[RetiredSFC 97]

Originally Posted by Scissors

So as the number of illegals present has dropped, the number of available jobs has dropped as well.

Fascinating.

WTF, try reversing that statement and find your answer!