C8Z06 vs Tesla

[lrobe22]

I called it. These two are practically twins

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[LATB]

Cyber"truck"... ugly as a sink full of dirty dishes.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by LATB

Cyber"truck"... ugly as a sink full of dirty dishes.

Cyber truck...made from sinks.

[Vette40th]

If the C8 could launch like a 911 Turbo S, I would be impressed. But, it needs serious help.
Sounds goood though.
Truck, Fridge, is ugly.

[Raazor]

I figured with time, the CyberTruck would grow on me.

Not yet

[RedLS1GTO]

That is an absolute football bat of a "truck".

Can anybody tell me whether an F-350, Ram 3500, or a 3500 Duramax is faster in the 1/4 mile? I'm guessing not, because nobody who drives a truck places other than Starbucks and Target f**king cares.

But hey, at least it's "bulletproof".

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

That is an absolute football bat of a "truck".

Can anybody tell me whether an F-350, Ram 3500, or a 3500 Duramax is faster in the 1/4 mile? I'm guessing not, because nobody who drives a truck places other than Starbucks and Target f**king cares.

But hey, at least it's "bulletproof".

Just wondering, if truck guys don't care about the acceleration/performance of a truck, WHY did Ford create the Raptor versions of the truck? Why did RAM create the TRX? Sure, probably most truck owners do not care how fast their truck accelerates but there is a market segment of performance trucks that would not exist if there was no demand for them.
It's just like the SUV segment. There are those who need a truck or SUV but want sports car acceleration. That's why the Trackhawk, Durango Hellcat, Lambo Urus and Model X Plaid exist.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Just wondering, if truck guys don't care about the acceleration/performance of a truck, WHY did Ford create the Raptor versions of the truck? Why did RAM create the TRX? Sure, probably most truck owners do not care how fast their truck accelerates but there is a market segment of performance trucks that would not exist if there was no demand for them.

The difference of course being that both the Raptor and the TRX can actually do things other than go fast in a straight line.

In fact, I don't see anywhere on here that 1/4 mile time is even mentioned on either site. Why? Because they're trucks. They're made to do things other than go in a straight line. With the exception of EV humpers trying to hang on the singular thing that they actually do well, nobody gives a shit how fast a truck goes in a 1/4 mile. In the case of the 2 that you mentioned, they're offroad vehicles that can actually do off road things as well as any other hauling requirement... unlike the 7,000 pound Starbucks parking lot cruiser that can't do a damn thing offroad and is lucky to make it beyond your neighbor's driveway if you're dumb enough to put a trailer behind it.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

https://www.ramtrucks.com/trx.html

The Cybertruck goes on pavement in a straight line and absolutely NOTHING else. But yea, good job on that whole bulletproof thing.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

The difference of course being that both the Raptor and the TRX can actually do things other than go fast in a straight line.

In fact, I don't see anywhere on here that 1/4 mile time is even mentioned. Why? Because they're trucks. They're made to do things other than accelerate on the way to Starbucks.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/

https://www.ramtrucks.com/trx.html

The Cybertruck goes on pavement in a straight line and absolutely NOTHING else. But yea, good job on that whole bulletproof thing.

The TRX or Raptor can't haul or tow more than a regular RAM 1500 or F150 Supercrew. Only difference is acceleration. Cybertruck can haul and tow as much as the F150. Only difference really is range which often does not matter as the majority of 1/2 ton trucks is used locally. From the local Home Depot or Lowes to construction sites etc. For those who haul large trailers cross country frequently, obviously gas is still the better choice until longer range battery technology is mass produced. However, like I said, TRX or Raptor can't do ANYTHING better than regular RAM 1500 or F150 Supercrew other than acceleration. People who buy those care about the acceleration.
Same goes for those who purchase a Durango Hellcat, Trackhawk or Model X Plaid.. There is no functional advantage over the regular Durango, Grand Cherokee or Model X Long Range. Those who buy those want acceleration!!
TOP speed is limited on TRX and Raptor to just over 100 mph, so top speed isn't a reason why someone buys those.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The TRX or Raptor can't haul or tow more than a regular RAM 1500 or F150 Supercrew. Only difference is acceleration. Cybertruck can haul and tow as much as the F150. Only difference really is range which often does not matter as the majority of 1/2 ton trucks is used locally. From the local Home Depot or Lowes to construction sites etc. For those who haul large trailers cross country frequently, obviously gas is still the better choice until longer range battery technology is mass produced. However, like I said, TRX or Raptor can't do ANYTHING better than regular RAM 1500 or F150 Supercrew other than acceleration. People who buy those care about the acceleration.
Same goes for those who purchase a Durango Hellcat, Trackhawk or Model X Plaid.. There is no functional advantage over the regular Durango, Grand Cherokee or Model X Long Range. Those who buy those want acceleration!!

"Those who buy those want acceleration!!"

Well, no.

Those who buy them want a badass truck that can do badass truck things. The acceleration that they have is just a byproduct of that. They look good. They drive great. They're fun. They're a blast offroad. ...and shockingly enough, they're still incredibly capable trucks. Your simple minded view that the only thing people care about is how fast vehicles go in a straight line (because it's all that you know) is absolutely absurd. The Raptor comes with 37" offroad tires on it and the Ram comes with 35s. Anybody who thinks they're in any way made for a 1/4 mile is a f**king moron.

The Raptor and TRX are both exceptional offroad trucks and are often used as such. They can also tow when needed. The Cybertruck is a 7,000 pound turd that is absolutely useless as a truck. It's useless offroad. It's useless with a trailer. It's useless for anything beyond driving to Target. It's absolutely nothing more than a fashion accessory for Elon fanboys and youtube creators.

The Cybertruck couldn't even make it TO the places where the Raptor and TRX go to shine.

Are you really trying to argue that the Cybertruck is as good at being a truck as the Raptor and TRX?

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

TOP speed is limited on TRX and Raptor to just over 100 mph, so top speed isn't a reason why someone buys those.

No shit.

Neither is 1/4 mile.

But go ahead and keep telling yourself it is.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

No shit.

Neither is 1/4 mile.

But go ahead and keep telling yourself it is.

As I said, people opt for the TRX, Raptor, Hellcat Durango, Trackhawk, MX Plaid for ACCCELERATION. There is no other benefit of those versions of those vehicles. There is ZERO functional benefit, yet, they are $20k to $40k more than the regular versions. NOBODY will spend up to $40k more because they don't care about the benefits (acceleration) of that version.
You can care about your vehicles acceleration without ever going to the drag strip. Most racing is still done on the street.. People don't buy a 700 HP truck to drive like a grandma.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

As I said, people opt for the TRX, Raptor, Hellcat Durango, Trackhawk, MX Plaid for ACCCELERATION. There is no other benefit of those versions of those vehicles. There is ZERO functional benefit, yet, they are $20k to $40k more than the regular versions.

What's hilarious is that you actually believe that the only difference between a Raptor and a base F150 is acceleration.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

What's hilarious is that you actually believe that the only difference between a Raptor and a base F150 is acceleration.

So, tell me what other benefit it has.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, tell me what other benefit it has.

TOWING: Regular F150... up to 14000 lbs.. Raptor 8200 lbs
PAYLOAD: Regular F150 ... 2500 lbs Raptor 1400 lbs.

Now, please list the benefit of a RAPTOR or TRX over the regular version..

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Raazor

I figured with time, the CyberTruck would grow on me.

Not yet

The Cybertruck has looks only a mother Cybertruck could love.

Can't take anything away from its go-fast ability, though. Heavier vehicle with higher coefficient of drag beats new Z06......damn.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, tell me what other benefit it has.

I already did.

You ignored it and deflected. As usual.

For starters, why don't you take a look at the links I posted and see how they're marketed.

They are both awesome offroad trucks as they come off of the showroom floor. They are both more than capable of hooking up a trailer and towing a SxS, dirtbikes, or anything else to the places that a Cybertruck can only dream of. It may come as a surprise that a large percentage of people that buy Raptors and the TRX also align very well with people who do other offroad activities. I know that it may be difficult for you to understand, but people outside of your tiny little bubble actually do use trucks for things other than going to Target. We won't even start down the path of the immeasurable things and intangibles like the sound, appearance, and overall driving experience that the 7,000 pound Tesla can't even begin to compete with.

Again, your simple minded view that accelerating in a straight line on pavement is the only measure of a vehicle is absurd. Of course I can't really blame you. It's the only argument you have...

Heil Elon.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I already did.

You ignored it and deflected. As usual.

For starters, why don't you take a look at the links I posted and see how they're marketed.

They are both awesome offroad trucks as they come off of the showroom floor. They are both more than capable of hooking up a trailer and towing a SxS, dirtbikes, or anything else to the places that a Cybertruck can only dream of. It may come as a surprise that a large percentage of people that buy Raptors and the TRX also align very well with people who do other offroad activities. I know that it may be difficult for you to understand, but people outside of your tiny little bubble actually do use trucks for things other than going to Target. We won't even start down the path of the immeasurable things and intangibles like the sound, appearance, and overall driving experience that the 7,000 pound Tesla can't even begin to compete with.

Again, your simple minded view that accelerating in a straight line on pavement is the only measure of a vehicle is absurd. Of course I can't really blame you. It's the only argument you have...

Heil Elon.

You can get a regular 4 x 4 RAM or F150. You don't need 700 HP to go offroad. 300 - 400 HP is plenty for any offroad needs. Offroad, you'll have traction issues, even with 300 HP if you use the full power.
Never seen a Raptor or TRX with mud all over it.. They are usually shined up to the max and you see them in the Walmart Parking lot.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

TOWING: Regular F150... up to 14000 lbs.. Raptor 8200 lbs
PAYLOAD: Regular F150 ... 2500 lbs Raptor 1400 lbs.

Now, please list the benefit of a RAPTOR or TRX over the regular version..

It's actually amazing that a self claimed "car guy" would need an explanation as to why someone would want a Raptor or TRX over a base F150 or Ram and could possibly be so simple minded as to think that the only reason is how fast they go in a straight line.

If you really need that explanation, and it seems that you do, you simply don't get it and never will. EVs are a perfect fit for you.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

It's actually amazing that a self claimed "car guy" would need an explanation as to why someone would want a Raptor or TRX over a base F150 or Ram and could possibly be so simple minded as to think that the only reason is how fast they go in a straight line.

If you really need that explanation, and it seems that you do, you simply don't get it and never will. EVs are a perfect fit for you.

THERE IS NO BENEFIT OF THE RAPTOR OR TRX over a regular 4 x 4 version of those trucks. Your 700 HP have no benefit offroad.