Ride the Lightning: Hertz Selling Off 20,000 Electric Cars

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

First year is usually 5% followed by 0.5% to 1% every following year.

So again, the cars don't meet the advertised criteria, not due to the testing, but due to degradation.

*EPA range does not apply after purchase.

It's funny that you somehow try to justify 5%++ loss of capability as no big deal.

I get 323 miles range at 100% right now after almost 2 years, 35k miles.

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At 100%... which you can't do without damaging the car. Driving it to 0% which you can't do without damaging the car.

[slewfoot]

Buyer beware.

Buying a used rental is like going to a whorehouse looking for a wife. Anything driven that long and hard, you don't want to stick your key into.

Jeff Foxworthy

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

So again, the cars don't meet the advertised criteria, not due to the testing, but due to degradation.

*EPA range does not apply after purchase.

It's funny that you somehow try to justify 5%++ loss of capability as no big deal.



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At 100%... which you can't do without damaging the car. Driving it to 0% which you can't do without damaging the car.

You can charge to 100% as long as the car doesn't sit at 100% for too long.

Knowing about degradation is like knowing that your gas car needs oil changes.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

My truck seems to get better MPG's as it ages.

Actually, if your tire wears down, your mpg will show slightly better but the miles traveled will be slightly lower because a full rotation of the tire will now travel a shorter distance.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Knowing about degradation is like knowing that your gas car needs oil changes.

Absolutely not the same thing.

But keep justifying.

It's only 5%. And then another 1, then another... No biggie. It's fairly amusing that you have such a big problem with things being misleading, but when it comes to Tesla your answer is always "close enough".

My favorite Tesla spin is still your argument that if you buy the $16,000 battery pack that you can't buy, to take up all 1/3 of the cargo room that you have, and add another 700 pounds to your "truck" that already weighs as much as a big diesel dually, which will inevitably take away from the acceleration that you use to justify everything... if you do all of that, you can get "pretty close" to what Elon originally promised.

I guess by that standard, taking 5% off of the range that you don't actually get anyway really isn't that bad.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Actually, if your tire wears down, your mpg will show slightly better but the miles traveled will be slightly lower because a full rotation of the tire will now travel a shorter distance.

You are kidding right?

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Absolutely not the same thing.

But keep justifying.

It's only 5%. And then another 1, then another... No biggie. It's fairly amusing that you have such a big problem with things being misleading, but when it comes to Tesla your answer is always "close enough".

My favorite Tesla spin is still your argument that if you buy the $16,000 battery pack that you can't buy, to take up all 1/3 of the cargo room that you have, and add another 700 pounds to your "truck" that already weighs as much as a big diesel dually, which will inevitably take away from the acceleration that you use to justify everything... if you do all of that, you can get "pretty close" to what Elon originally promised.


I guess by that standard, taking 5% off of the range that you don't actually get anyway really isn't that bad.

Friend of mine is approaching 200k miles on his 2014 Model S and after 10 yrs/200k miles, he still gets 90% of his original range.
When the Cybertruck was announced, no specs were guaranteed as all they had was a concept truck at that point. That was not a "For Sale" listing, just a plan.
Very often, specs can change on cars not yet in production.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

You are kidding right?

actually, it is a fact. It's not a significant difference but a worn tire travels less distance on a full rotation than a new one. Therefore, speedo will show slightly faster speed than a new tire.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

actually, it is a fact. It's not a significant difference but a worn tire travels less distance on a full rotation than a new one. Therefore, speedo will show slightly faster speed than a new tire.

I'm laughing at the MPG increase as the tires wear down.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Friend of mine is approaching 200k miles on his 2014 Model S and after 10 yrs/200k miles, he still gets 90% of his original range.
When the Cybertruck was announced, no specs were guaranteed as all they had was a concept truck at that point. That was not a "For Sale" listing, just a plan.
Very often, specs can change on cars not yet in production.

A friend of yours. Oh. Well that settles it...

A friend and coworker of mine has had 2 batteries replaced on his Model S in less than 4 years (along with a bunch of other shit that has broken). 1 "I know a guy" data point is worthless.

What's your point?

By "concept" you of course mean Elon making shit up that he can't actually come close to delivering.

[slewfoot]

I'd love to hear opinions on MPG on any given gas engine car when the sticker at sea level shows the same mpg as a car in Denver at 5000'

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

You can charge to 100% as long as the car doesn't sit at 100% for too long.

Knowing about degradation is like knowing that your gas car needs oil changes.

My gas car can sit for months with a full gas tank. It doesn’t hurt anything.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

I'm laughing at the MPG increase as the tires wear down.

not really a mpg improvement but a perceived one. Drive exactly 100 miles with new tires.
Then drive the exact same 100 miles with completely bald tires and your miles travelled on your odometer will show like 102 miles.
Now, if you used 5 gallons for the trip with new tires, the consumption calculates to 20 mpg.
Now, if you use the odometers 102 miles with worn tires (instead of the actual 100 miles), you get 20.4 mpg. You used 5 gallons on both trips but your perceived mpg went up because the car thinks that you travelled 102 instead of 100 miles due to the worn tires.
Odometers usually display the distance travelled based on tire rotations. A tire rotation with bald tires is slightly less distance than a new tire.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LATB

I'm laughing at the MPG increase as the tires wear down.

As the tire wears down, they weigh less, so less weight = better mileage, assuming it's not worn down to slicks, where more surface area of the tire is contacting the road. Probably not appreciable difference, but certainly theoretical.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

As the tire wears down, they weigh less, so less weight = better mileage, assuming it's not worn down to slicks, where more surface area of the tire is contacting the road. Probably not appreciable difference, but certainly theoretical.

I get it. I just think it’s funny.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

My gas car can sit for months with a full gas tank. It doesn’t hurt anything.

An ideal situation for a Garage Queen Corvette.

For a vehicle that is driven daily it's neither here nor there.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

An ideal situation for a Garage Queen Corvette.

For a vehicle that is driven daily it's neither here nor there.

I haven't owned a garage queen for many, many years, Corvette or other. I decided long ago that I don't buy cars to maintain for the next owner. YMMV.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Not so great deals.. Cars are listed at prices in the blue book value range for year and miles.

I thought the 3k mile LRY in Orlando for $37k was a pretty good deal. Other than that, I saw no deals.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

I thought the 3k mile LRY in Orlando for $37k was a pretty good deal. Other than that, I saw no deals.

You can find "IN STOCK" MY LR for about $44k before tax credit. So, you can get a brand new one for $36500.. Check the Tesla website, they are letting go of inventory cars for a huge discount.

This one is $37490 after tax credit brand new


https://www.tesla.com/my/order/7SAY2...ct=no#overview

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

This one is $37490 after tax credit brand new

Assuming one qualifies for the tax credit