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Old 11-07-2018, 12:47pm   #1
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so apparently Harvick wins sunday. yay for him.

and then the nascar weenies go over his car with a fine tooth comb, find a rear spoiler they don't like, and take away his victory for use to advance in the playoffs.

so he wins but he doesn't win.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kevin-h...9--nascar.html

what kind of sport alters the result 3 days after the fact? the racing mostly happens after the race is over, as weenies look to see who they can penalize mostest, and who will get a pass.

phooey, i'll find something else to do on sundays.
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Later in the same event, Bowyer was penalized for a crew member being over the pit road wall too early. The crew member was sitting on the wall with his feet touching the asphalt on pit road, which was a violation.
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imagine how many NFL fans would stick around if on wednesday your team was stripped of a win because one of your players wore the wrong socks or didn't tuck in his shirt on a play during the 3rd quarter.

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Was an avid fan since I was very young. I am up in age. I saw races on the beach. Never missed a daytona race.

Haven't watched a full race in probably 15 years. I don't know if I changed or things going in Nascar has made it not interesting. I had just a few favorite drivers. Now, I couldn't care less about any of them.

Of course the old days stock cars were much more interesting to me. I liked the old, simple championship format. Win races and place good and be consistent and maybe, maybe win the championship.

I know, there are a bunch of whiners out there saying this stuff. I guess I am one of them.
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imagine how many NFL fans would stick around if on wednesday your team was stripped of a win because one of your players wore the wrong socks or didn't tuck in his shirt on a play during the 3rd quarter.

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Yea, you would never see something like that in football. How about if a college was stripped of titles and wins for something such as a recruiting violation that happened years before? What if a player was stripped of a Heisman years after it was awarded. Can you imagine if they did something like that?

This was a blatant rule violation that they thought they could get away with... and didn't. I don't know what they did specifically, but I'm damn sure that they made every effort to hide it. They wouldn't have done it if they didn't think they could get away with it.

I think it sucks that something happens a few days later (I didn't even watch the race) but realistically speaking, what are the options? There are just too many things to look at to have it happen instantaneously and enforce the rules real time. You either open up the rulebook and let them go wild (I like this idea), or you do what they are doing now. Penalties are handed out in most racing series after the fact. It's just not often that a win is taken away as was the case here. They intentionally cheated. They got caught. That's their fault. For once, I actually agree with what NASCAR did.

As for the Bowyer penalty, that's just a dumbass crew member. There are very simple rules on when guys can go over the wall and how exactly that is defined. If your feet are on the ground, you're over the wall. It's not complicated. That's not a NASCAR problem. It's no different than ANY other form of racing with regards to what crew members can do.

It's a strange day when I'm defending NASCAR.
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if you go looking, you can find violations on any NCAA team.

thankfully, pro teams/sports determine victors on the field, not the meeting room 3 days later with a bunch of lawyers.

if nascar wants to sell this to john q. public, they need to explain what was done, how it affected the car's performance, and why the penalty is just. they don't do that.
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.....but realistically speaking, what are the options?
Well, this for one.....

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....the old, simple championship format. Win races and place good and be consistent and maybe, maybe win the championship.....
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.....There are just too many things to look at......


All the templates, rules, etc....

The cars seem all the same be it Chevy, Ford, Toyota, or any other car manufacturer who slaps their logo on the cars and the trailers.

Make it fun again and just maybe fans will come back.

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minimum weight

same size and shape as cars sold to public. you can add body extensions to the ground. you can add a spoiler.

safety roll cages

max fuel tank size of 140% of factory size.

up to 110% of factory displacement.

have the race cars have some relation to the cars on the sales floor. besides the name plate.

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let the teams figure things out. every 2-4 years the cars sold to the public will change, so the race car will have to follow.
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I not watched sports since the Redskins won the stupor bowl TV that is.....

Some 20 years ago I watched a NASCAR 500 here in Daytona, inside the gate where Dale was.....by mistake, lasted an hour and was politely invited to LEAVE by a guard.....

couple years later a bunch of us went to Gainsville for the Winter Nats....

got my ears altered, krazy air pressures in combination with each other....

been some 18 years ago by now.....

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race with the camaro challenger and mustang . they are real two door cars they can modify them make them safe and we can buy them on monday bring back the STOCK back to stock car
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Yea, you would never see something like that in football. How about if a college was stripped of titles and wins for something such as a recruiting violation that happened years before? What if a player was stripped of a Heisman years after it was awarded. Can you imagine if they did something like that?

This was a blatant rule violation that they thought they could get away with... and didn't. I don't know what they did specifically, but I'm damn sure that they made every effort to hide it. They wouldn't have done it if they didn't think they could get away with it.

I think it sucks that something happens a few days later (I didn't even watch the race) but realistically speaking, what are the options? There are just too many things to look at to have it happen instantaneously and enforce the rules real time. You either open up the rulebook and let them go wild (I like this idea), or you do what they are doing now. Penalties are handed out in most racing series after the fact. It's just not often that a win is taken away as was the case here. They intentionally cheated. They got caught. That's their fault. For once, I actually agree with what NASCAR did.

As for the Bowyer penalty, that's just a dumbass crew member. There are very simple rules on when guys can go over the wall and how exactly that is defined. If your feet are on the ground, you're over the wall. It's not complicated. That's not a NASCAR problem. It's no different than ANY other form of racing with regards to what crew members can do.

It's a strange day when I'm defending NASCAR.
Not surprising that another racer would take this stance. We go to great effort to ensure equipment is in compliance. Yet, there are always some that want to, as they say, push the envelope. It's fukcing cheating. These are some of the smartest people in auto racing, and if you feel for a second that they don't know exactly what's going on, you're fooling yourself.

I hate cheaters just like I hate thieves. They are stealing money/trophies/time in the spotlight just as sure as a thief steals your car radio.

You can argue about the state of the NASCAR major series. I'm not a big follower any longer either. But cheating needs to be dealt with severe implications.
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If you break the rules, then it should be a DQ.

But they should sort this out within an hour of checked flag. Not Wednesday.
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problem is... the rules are getting silly.

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But they should sort this out within an hour of checked flag. Not Wednesday.
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imagine how many NFL fans would stick around if on wednesday your team was stripped of a win because one of your players wore the wrong socks or didn't tuck in his shirt on a play during the 3rd quarter.

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Oh, the officiating is clearly biased trust me.
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If you break the rules, then it should be a DQ.

But they should sort this out within an hour of checked flag. Not Wednesday.

Here's a crazy idea. Line 'em up pre-race, do a final inspection before they follow the pace car, and anyone allowed to take the green flag is good to go, no take backsies.
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Some how he passed pre-race inspection but failed post-race.
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They choose several cars, including the winner, for a much more detailed inspection at their lab. This inspection would not be practical pre/post race and hold any type of schedule.

Harvick's spoiler was offset to the right, providing more downforce on the right rear, which is perfect for Texas. After the race, the inspector noted that the spoiler "looked off", but it had to be removed from the car to measure accurately.

The statement from Greg Zipadelli amounts to a confession...

“We work tirelessly across every inch of our race cars to create speed and, unfortunately, NASCAR determined we ventured into an area not accommodated by its rule book,” Zipadelli said. “We will not appeal the penalty. Instead, we will direct our immediate focus to this weekend’s event in Phoenix and control our destiny on the racetrack.”

At major amateur races, they can pull heads, remove and test shocks and in the latest SM National race, they removed half shafts and discovered the bearing cages had been ground out so the bearings created less friction. 3 out of top 5 DQ'ed.
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so how can they not catch such things at pre-race.

read a piece yesterday, tony stewart suggested that you get ONE pass thru tech. pass, you race, fail, you park.

almost to the point where it would be easier for nascar to prep 45 cars, you get one drawn by lot 10 min before qualifying, put in your custom seat and off we go. after Q, cars are impounded, and unlocked 10 min before green flag. tech inspection not needed.
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so how can they not catch such things at pre-race.
Tearing down a motor to check bore and stroke is just not practical, let alone cam angles, and these are not sealed motors.

There's a lot they could do to make this a Spec class, but then who would even sponsor?

The current system would not have been an issue, but they've had something like 20 discrepancies pulling random rides and the winner. It would be a non-issue if the teams were not intentionally violating the rules.
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minimum weight

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max fuel tank size of 140% of factory size.

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let the teams figure things out. every 2-4 years the cars sold to the public will change, so the race car will have to follow.
So you can check weight, every dimension of a body (same size and shape were your words), engine displacement, fuel tank size, make sure the roll bars in spec, make sure your spoiler meets whatever size is allowed (ironically enough what failed here) etc on 40 cars in an hour?

or do you think that if you tell those guys that the bodies have to be the same shape to fuel cell can only be a certain size and a displacement can only be a certain amount that they'll just follow the rules without being checked?
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