The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Unfortunately, many people are not smart to catch it. All I'm in favor is standardizing the list price to be consistent among all ads. The only discounts subtracted from a price are the ones everyone qualifies for.

Just to clarify, you want the government to regulate the method by which retailers advertise their products on private domains.

You want the government to regulate the content of a privately owned website (such as Autotrader).

You want the government to regulate the price of consumer goods and limit profit.

Ummmm... no.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

They do.

Look at the example I posted. The MSRP, what he refers to as "the real price" is right at the top of the page. The entire explanation as to how the discounted price is achieved is clearly spelled out.

His argument is that people are lazy and no can reed gud.

Yes and he wants legislation to protect the stupid. You can’t fix stupid no matter how hard the socialists try. I’m surprised that any conservative would support this, maybe I misread his political views.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Not sure where McD or BK mislead people??

Neither did any of the dealers that you linked. Your idiotic argument is exactly the equivalent of someone walking up to Burger King and ordering without looking at the menu... and then claiming that Burger King lied.

Burger King puts out ads all the time that don't apply at certain times. Coupons that in the fine print say things like "eat in only" or "1 coupon per customer".

This is misleading to anybody who doesn't read the fine print, unethical, and should be regulated by the government.

That is really what you are arguing.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by LATB

Yes and he wants legislation to protect the stupid. You can’t fix stupid no matter how hard the socialists try. I’m surprised that any conservative would support this, maybe I misread his political views.

It's not even protecting the stupid. It's protecting people too lazy to even open the ad and read it. Even stupid people can figure out how much a car costs based on those ads. His asinine argument is that they are too lazy to actually even read it to get the information! Somehow having all of the information clearly posted and explained in the ad... is misleading and unethical.


The political views are very clear at this point.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by LATB

[Judge Judy] Do you have evidence that they lied? [Judge Judy]

$1,000,000 Barn Bux says that the actual price was clearly displayed on their website.

I'm starting to connect the dots. I don't think that phone call story happened. I'd say what is much more likely is that this trip to find the "marked up" car really happened when he misread an ad... because he was fk-n lazy and didn't see what it actually said... and rather than accept his mistake, he thinks that it's everyone's fault but his, the dealership lied and was unethical, and the government needs to be responsible for regulating it.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Just to clarify, you want the government to regulate the method by which retailers advertise their products on private domains.

You want the government to regulate the content of a privately owned website (such as Autotrader).

You want the government to regulate the price of consumer goods and limit profit.

Ummmm... no.

yes, I want honesty in advertised prices. It is 100% clear that dealers are trying to mislead. Taking advantage of people because they don't read the fine print is not ok to me.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

Yes and he wants legislation to protect the stupid. You can’t fix stupid no matter how hard the socialists try. I’m surprised that any conservative would support this, maybe I misread his political views.

So, you think that it's perfectly fine to mislead ignorant people to make a buck?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

So, you think that it's perfectly fine to mislead ignorant people to make a buck?

You have not posted any evidence of this misleading claim.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Neither did any of the dealers that you linked. Your idiotic argument is exactly the equivalent of someone walking up to Burger King and ordering without looking at the menu... and then claiming that Burger King lied.

Burger King puts out ads all the time that don't apply at certain times. Coupons that in the fine print say things like "eat in only" or "1 coupon per customer".

This is misleading to anybody who doesn't read the fine print, unethical, and should be regulated by the government.

That is really what you are arguing.

As long as the price on the menu is the price you pay, there is no problem. If the price of a big mac shows at 99 cent and on the bottom of the screen it says in small print "discounted price for first responders only, regular pricei s $3", that would not be ok.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

As long as the price on the menu is the price you pay, there is no problem. If the price of a big mac shows at 99 cent and on the bottom of the screen it says in small print "discounted price for first responders only, regular pricei s $3", that would not be ok.

And you want the government to step in and make sure that doesn’t happen.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

You really need to go back and read what I said.

My entire point is the there is a difference between a "Market Value" and GOUGING.

You really need to go back and take economics 101.

There really is no such thing as gouging. There are services available at a variety of prices. You are free to use them or not.

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I never mentioned the government ONE TIME. I never mention price freezes or flat pricing or anything like that.

Then you have no solution. Either its legal to ask any price you choose for your services, or the government must create law and police it to prevent, "gouging." Its either legal or illegal. Those are the only options. Pick one.

[MadInNc]

EV owners

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Taking advantage of a panic and causing a shortage of certain items to make a profit is a form of market manipulation. If you engage in market manipulation of stocks, you go to jail. There is no punishment if you cause a shortage of necessities like TP. Luckily, at one point, several retailers created a purchase limit of certain items to help with the shortages. I'm 100% for a free market but taking advantage of suckers or people's necessities during a crisis is not ok in my book. Nobody should be taken advantage of to make a buck IMHO.

Sorry, you do not support free markets nor understand them. Prices are simply a signal - information - about the relative scarcity of a good. That is how producers know what to produce and in what quantity.

You think you know which price or profit margin is too high or excessive is too much, but that is not a the same number for everyone. Price is relative to supply and demand. Low supply/high prices/high demand are three ways of saying the same thing. Distort any one of them and chaos ensues.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm 100% for a free market

Stop lying.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

yes, I want honesty in advertised prices. It is 100% clear that dealers are trying to mislead. Taking advantage of people because they don't read the fine print is not ok to me.

And by "fine print" you mean really big at the top of the page.

And by "not ok" you mean that you want government to regulate private businesses and control all content on websites.


Admit it, the price for your "marked up" car was on the website... and you didn't take the time to look before you drove your 80 miles.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by ptindall

Stop lying.

I think it's a language thing.

In this case, "Free" = 100% controlled by the government.

[Kevin68]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

As long as the price on the menu is the price you pay, there is no problem. If the price of a big mac shows at 99 cent and on the bottom of the screen it says in small print "discounted price for first responders only, regular pricei s $3", that would not be ok.

How will the first responder know he can get a burger for 99 cents? "Fine" print?

Does the fact that a certain class of person pays 67% less than you do offend your sense of fair play?

[Aerovette]

It's more like...

Not so hungry? Have our super deluxe giant burger for 99 cents each.

Very hungry? Have our super deluxe giant burger for $15.99 each.

I'm not asking anyone to agree, but the above is complete and utter bullshit. The market value of the burger is x. X is a reasonable price that compares to similar items available.

As for the TP during covid., I have to laugh at some of you defending what happened. How can you POSSIBLY not see that it is the exact same thing our government does. CREATE a problem, then offer a solution to their manufactured problem.

Buy up the supply of toilet paper (create a problem) then open their trunk on the side of the road and sell it for $30 a roll.

I would wish and hope some hood-rat would club them on the head and steal all of it and the cash, and their car.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

As for the TP during covid., I have to laugh at some of you defending what happened. How can you POSSIBLY not see that it is the exact same thing our government does. CREATE a problem, then offer a solution to their manufactured problem.

I'm sure I could probably piece it together with a scan through the last 2 pages, but what is your proposed solution for the "TP" issue?

[Aerovette]

Certainly you pro-gouging people must be really disappointed that Martin Shkreli got spanked. I mean why not make a $13.50 medication rocket to $750.00. People can choose to die instead of paying those crazy prices, right? Options !