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It has effectively destroyed black American culture and is now eating at mainstream culture. The very idea that anyone is "Owed" something for just being born is ridiculous. Rewarding bad behavior only increases the incidents of bad behavior. |
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They are at fault along with the rest of the politicians of any stripe that has used all of these programs to maintain and grow their power base.
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I give RR a break, he most likely was not a PROGRESSIVE who have infiltrated BOTH parties up to the command structure.....but he surely acted like one for that first amnesty trick 30 years ago..... It's NOT R&D it's US vs PROGRESSIVES/liberals/commies call them what you will, ...... |
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Time to cut the federal welfare programs and do a stepped fair tax only the true poor will not pay taxes, I bet as more of us pay taxes that were on the doles will work harder. Drug testing to get handouts needs to be done everywhere, if you want my tax $$ I do no want to pay for your drugs. Oh I am taxed enough already
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My father, who grew up during the Great Depression, once told me: "When I was a kid, if you didn't work, you didn't eat."
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The question then becomes how do you better manage them? If you means test them then you will have to hire more people to do home inspections. The money you could save would be offset by the money spent to hire additional inspectors. If you simply cut them, crime will increase and now the money you saved will have to be spent on MUCH more expensive law enforcement and incarceration. You can not simply tell tens of millions of people the assistance is going to stop and they will have to fend for themselves when there are no jobs available. When the economy improves and opportunities exist, social assistance programs can be looked at and revamped to be more structured and efficient. But for right now, the only solution is to continue what is currently in place. I have no problem increasing taxes on corporations to support those out of work. After all, its the fault of many of these companies that shifted their manufacturing overseas that caused this problem to begin with. |
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1) It cut the low cost labor market significantly because a large sector of people did not have to work 2) And those that do work had to pay for the deadbeats that did not work. Raising taxes and the cost of doing business. |
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Even during times of very low unemployment welfare rates continuities to rise.
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Again...feel good policy rather than logical... |
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Phil that's just nuts. Increase taxes and you further incentivize those companies to leave the US altogether. Or don't you see that? Corporations don't NEED the US market anymore - China and the far east are where the US was 75 years ago as emerging consumer societies. Rural electrification? Telecommunications? Infrastructure like highways and waterworks and sewer systems... all that stuff that made American industry powerful and profitable through the 50 and 60s has become a market offshore too. But this time it's on a scale 10 times what we stumbled through learning here turning on lights in Tennessee and paving I40 across Oklahoma - now American industry knows how to do all that - just like rebuilding Japan after WWII. So fire up your tax machine and watch Caterpillar and Exxon and GM and Ford and United Tech move whole companies to less restrictive, less onerous countries. Who pays for your Utopia then? |
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Corporations in this country have so many loop holes that they are actually taxed at some of the lowest rates in the industrialized world. Every time I hear this stuff about companies leaving because of the high taxes, all I have to do is point the finger at Germany. They have one of the highest tax rates in the world and they are doing quite well compared to some of the other first world economies. The reality is that these companies move their operations overseas because the labor is cheaper, not because of the taxes. Then we allow them to keep the profits overseas where they are not taxed. How god damn crazy is that? We have Fortune 500 companies renouncing their American identity and opening up shell companies all around the world to hide money from the federal government. Why are none of you pissed off about that? No, it's the poor guy that lost his welding job that is bringing down America. WTF??? No US company gives one single rat fu@k about any of you. Tax the bastards and jail the son of a bitches that try to skirt the system. |
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Why do you think corporations are going overseas? Do you think they are doing it because they are big meanies who hate America? No. They are doing it TO MAKE MONEY. In case you forgot... that is the point of business. You really think taxing the hell out of them is the way to fix it? You can't be that ignorant of business sense. People like to point the finger at GE because of the ignorant ass NY Times article. Of course Libs love the Times so it is not a surprise. The article stating that GE paid zero taxes (and actually instead received money) that was originally published by them has been shown time and time again to be simply false. The truth about GE's tax bill - Fortune Features The truth about GE’s tax bill - The Washington Post Personally I believe what the writers at Fortune have to say over the NY Times. GE uses very aggressive tax avoidance strategies. Nobody would deny that, but that is about where his article stops being correct. Consider that GE currently has ~135,000 American employees and since the beginning of 2009, with almost every single American corporation downsizing, GE has created ~8,000 new jobs in the U.S. and has invested over a billion dollars into American production facilities. Seems to me like this is as close to proof as you will ever get that lower corporate taxes drives hiring and leads to more revenue. - More products made in America -135,000 people worth of income taxes collected. -135,000 people not on unemployment. -135,000 families not on food stamps, welfare, etc. GE's actual tax record aside, you point at these evil corporations like them as what is wrong with this country. Looks to me like GE is one of the few corporations actually helping the economy right now. Proctor and Gamble, Boeing, L-3, Siemens, Hewlett-Packard ... you name it... ALL of them are cutting American jobs. Why? Because it is cheaper and more profitible for them to go elsewhere. If you want jobs to stay here or to be created here you have to make it profitible for companies to do so. It is a very simple concept. The point of business is to make money, and they will go to where that is most likely to happen. Don't blame the companies for leaving. Blame the government and the lawmakers that are forcing them to. Taxing business is simply not the answer. If you tax business, the only thing that happens is that those businesses either A.) pass on that price in their products or B.) pack up and go somewhere else. It is simple economics. We have union workers getting paid $25/hr to do minimum wage jobs. We have forced spending on healthcare programs, unemployment programs, etc, etc, etc. We have made it an absolutely stupid business decision to stay here. Until that changes, businesses will continue to leave, unemployment will continue to rise, and the economy will continue to suffer. |
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