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Old 04-11-2024, 3:58pm   #81
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Here is why I don't believe this. I am VERY VERY clear when I get out that I am NOT buying anything. I came to look at the new X or check out the used X. Still they follow and try to talk me in to buying. I am not there to buy and I was very clear about it. It doesn't matter how I am dressed, their behavior is the same. When I have reached my tolerance of being "shadowed" I walk to my car and leave. Their evaluation skills suck and are unnecessary because there is no value in "pretending" I'm going to buy something.
They likely knew you were a tire kicker, they followed you because the sales manager will be screaming at them if they ignore someone on the lot.
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They likely knew you were a tire kicker, they followed you because the sales manager will be screaming at them if they ignore someone on the lot.
No "likely" about it. I was clear on that point. I am not here t buy anything just looking.

If I was that salesman's manager I'd kick his ass for following me instead of a potential customer.
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No "likely" about it. I was clear on that point. I am not here t buy anything just looking.

If I was that salesman's manager I'd kick his ass for following me instead of a potential customer.
The sales manager doesnít care that youíre a tire kicker. Everyone coming on the lot says theyíre just looking.
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...and in your experience, has any 1 of these customer tricks ever netted them anything whatsoever that they wouldn't have gotten by simply walking in and acting like a decent human being?
Most likely - no. Trust me, you aren't out-smarting a car dealer; if the package doesn't work for them, they won't do it. If they can convince you that you "got them" and have you grinning while signing the paperwork its a win-win.

SOME techniques can net you savings of course, buying near the end of the month when a dealer is trying to make his "numbers" is one instance and buying when most other buyers are "out of the market". Say, shortly after Christmas when financially "tapped out" consumers are staying home and rebuilding their resources.
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Here is why I don't believe this. I am VERY VERY clear when I get out that I am NOT buying anything. I came to look at the new X or check out the used X. Still they follow and try to talk me in to buying. I am not there to buy and I was very clear about it. It doesn't matter how I am dressed, their behavior is the same. When I have reached my tolerance of being "shadowed" I walk to my car and leave. Their evaluation skills suck and are unnecessary because there is no value in "pretending" I'm going to buy something.
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong..
"I'm just looking" is what 70% of car buyers say before a purchase...

The other dynamic is that most sales managers will fire a salesman that doesn't press the sale or engage customers to determine their desires. So, of course, they follow you around if they want to stay employed.
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The sales manager doesnít care that youíre a tire kicker. Everyone coming on the lot says theyíre just looking.
Interesting. How would I let them know I am dead serious about NOT buying anything? I can't look much poorer than I naturally look.
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong..
"I'm just looking" is what 70% of car buyers say before a purchase...

The other dynamic is that most sales managers will fire a salesman that doesn't press the sale or engage customers to determine their desires. So, of course, they follow you around if they want to stay employed.
This is my motivation to shop there and buy elsewhere. I despise being shadowed. Especially by some numb-nuts that doesn't know fuel injection from beef injection. I have asked them questions about vehicles just to be entertained by the answer.
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Most likely - no. Trust me, you aren't out-smarting a car dealer; if the package doesn't work for them, they won't do it. If they can convince you that you "got them" and have you grinning while signing the paperwork its a win-win.
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I love customers like you. All I have to do to close you is play into your bullshit and make you think you "won".
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Interesting. How would I let them know I am dead serious about NOT buying anything? I can't look much poorer than I naturally look.
By not going there in the first place. You go to a titty bar to look around, you go to a car dealer to buy a car.
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By not going there in the first place. You go to a titty bar to look around, you go to a car dealer to buy a car.
Negative. I go to a dealer to look at cars.
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Most likely - no. Trust me, you aren't out-smarting a car dealer; if the package doesn't work for them, they won't do it. If they can convince you that you "got them" and have you grinning while signing the paperwork its a win-win.

SOME techniques can net you savings of course, buying near the end of the month when a dealer is trying to make his "numbers" is one instance and buying when most other buyers are "out of the market". Say, shortly after Christmas when financially "tapped out" consumers are staying home and rebuilding their resources.
Itís not about outsmarting, itís about maintaining your own control of the deal so it stays in proper form for the buyer to make sense of it. Thatís why I keep each part of the deal separate, new car and itís negotiation, then introduce the trade if there is one, and lastly the financing. Itís such a joke when the sales guy asks what you need your payment to be , then the finance guy asks where he needs to keep your payment , and they go cross-eyed when I tell them that I donít care, I want the lowest interest rate possible that my credit warrants. Before I go on the lot I know what my credit score is and I know within reason what my trade is worth. I usually do well as long as I donít get emotionally attached to new ride.

I was bored one Saturday and it just happened to be at the end of the month, I went to the jeep dealer to see if they had an SRT GC and they did in the showroom . They tried so hard to get me to agree to test drive and I said no, leave it inside . I worked the deal before I drove it , didnít drive it until deal was done. I got what I needed out of all parts of the deal. I was very happy when I got in the GC and even happier on the way home because it was better than I had expected.
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Buying a vehicle is a very binary event.

This is what I will pay for the vehicle. Do we have a deal? Y or N

End of story. People that spend hours in the process are fools.
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