The Everything Tesla/EV Argument Thread

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Most people will use their truck around town. I would guess that less than 1% of 1/2 ton pickup truck owners take their truck on frequent long trips with a trailer. That's mostly people with campers or businesses hauling stuff.
The Cybertruck has almost TWICE the payload of a Hummer. The Hummer is a gigantic truck with a payload capacity of a Ranger while the Cybertruck has about the same payload of a gas F150 Supercrew. Again, the VAST MAJORITY of 1/2 ton pickup truck owners will not tow heavy trailers cross country or a regular basis. You know that this is the case. Why does the truck's weight have anything to do with the discussion. It's completely irrelevant as long as the heavy weight doesn't reduce the payload (like in case of the Hummer).
The amount of people with a camper is ridiculously low. It's not a large number at all. Most 1/2 ton trucks will rarely see any days where they drive more than 150 miles in a day with a heavy trailer. I only own a 8 x 5 foot trailer with a maximum weight of 2000 lbs and I have never needed anything bigger and I remodel homes from time to time and haul tile and stuff to the landfill. If you have a camper and you go on frequent long trips with it, don't get an EV truck.. It's that simple. That eliminates probably like 5% of 1/2 ton truck buyers.

You could have again saved lots of words by simply saying it sucks as a truck.

You (or any other true believer who buys one) not caring whether it can do “truck” things doesn’t change that.

It is very amusing that your argument started out as it’s a great truck “with great range, even towing”. Now it’s great because nobody cares about those things.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

You could have again saved lots of words by simply saying it sucks as a truck.

You (or any other true believer who buys one) not caring whether it can do “truck” things doesn’t change that.

It is very amusing that your argument started out as it’s a great truck “with great range, even towing”. Now it’s great because nobody cares about those things.

It likely works for 95% of 1/2 ton pickup owners. It probably won't work for 5%.
Every single $80k+ Cybertruck produced will sell for at least the next 4 years.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

It likely works for 95% of 1/2 ton pickup owners. It probably won't work for 5%.
Every single $80k+ Cybertruck produced will sell for at least the next 4 years.

I never said that they wouldn’t sell. There are people lining up to buy pink cups at Target. This is no different. It’s a novelty and there are plenty of idiots with money.

What’s your point?

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I never said that they wouldn’t sell. There are people lining up to buy pink cups at Target. This is no different. It’s a novelty and there are plenty of idiots with money.

What’s your point?

My point is that it will work for 95% of 1/2 ton truck buyers.
Most 1/2 ton trucks are used as daily commuters and occasional hauling.
Our work garage is full of pickup trucks. Most of them work in IT and not a profession where they need to haul things on a regular basis.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

My point is that it will work for 95% of 1/2 ton truck buyers.
Most 1/2 ton trucks are used as daily commuters and occasional hauling.
Our work garage is full of pickup trucks. Most of them work in IT and not a profession where they need to haul things on a regular basis.

Yes. It is a novelty that’s just fine for urban techies who worship at the cult of Elon, never leave town, never haul things, never go on trips, and never do anything that requires an actual truck.

I’m glad you finally acknowledge that as a TRUCK… it’s absolutely worthless.

[MadInNc]

Doesn’t do well in snow….

[sublime1996525]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Most people will use their truck around town. I would guess that less than 1% of 1/2 ton pickup truck owners take their truck on frequent long trips with a trailer. That's mostly people with campers or businesses hauling stuff.
The Cybertruck has almost TWICE the payload of a Hummer. The Hummer is a gigantic truck with a payload capacity of a Ranger while the Cybertruck has about the same payload of a gas F150 Supercrew. Again, the VAST MAJORITY of 1/2 ton pickup truck owners will not tow heavy trailers cross country or a regular basis. You know that this is the case. Why does the truck's weight have anything to do with the discussion. It's completely irrelevant as long as the heavy weight doesn't reduce the payload (like in case of the Hummer).
The amount of people with a camper is ridiculously low. It's not a large number at all. Most 1/2 ton trucks will rarely see any days where they drive more than 150 miles in a day with a heavy trailer. I only own a 8 x 5 foot trailer with a maximum weight of 2000 lbs and I have never needed anything bigger and I remodel homes from time to time and haul tile and stuff to the landfill. If you have a camper and you go on frequent long trips with it, don't get an EV truck.. It's that simple. That eliminates probably like 5% of 1/2 ton truck buyers.

You would be very wrong if you believe less than 1% of 1/2 ton owners don't use their truck for truck stuff.

[dvarapala]

[Mick]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

42 minutes? If it takes you 42 minutes to make your case for EVs, you are either full of bullshit, or have no idea what you are talking about (which is basically the same as being full of bullshit). You can take your pick which you like, or come back with an explanation that takes less than 5 minutes to make a point.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

You would be very wrong if you believe less than 1% of 1/2 owners don't use their truck for truck stuff.

Certainly not where I’m from but things like “reality” really get in the way of the sales pitch.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Mick

42 minutes? If it takes you 42 minutes to make your case for EVs, you are either full of bullshit, or have no idea what you are talking about (which is basically the same as being full of bullshit). You can take your pick which you like, or come back with an explanation that takes less than 5 minutes to make a point.

See? He predicted you wouldn't like it!

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Yes. It is a novelty that’s just fine for urban techies who worship at the cult of Elon, never leave town, never haul things, never go on trips, and never do anything that requires an actual truck.

I’m glad you finally acknowledge that as a TRUCK… it’s absolutely worthless.

Then most 1/2 ton truck owners buy their truck as a novelty.
I live outside of town, fairly rural area. Many people have trucks but I only know one of them who hauls a camper across the south with his Titan.
Most truck owners buy pickup trucks for their utility. Those shiny new F150 SuperCrew or Dodge Rams likely will never see the offroad.. Guys who do offroad stuff usually use old dinged up trucks for that and not $60k+ shiny new ones. The VAST majority buy them as daily driver and that they don't have to rent a truck every time they buy larger stuff from Home Depot or Lowes or haul stuff to the landfill. That covers probably most 1/2 ton pickup truck owners. Those who seriously haul large trailers for many miles usually don't buy 1/2 ton trucks. They get at least a 3/4 Ton or 1 Ton truck for that. When I hauled my race car, I first had a Sierra 2500 Turbo Diesel and then a F250 V10. I wouldn't have considered a smaller truck as I hauled my race car through the mountains at times to participate in races. Therefore, for the TYPICAL 1/2 ton buyer, the Cybertruck fits right in. I don't know what percent really go offroad or haul large trailers with a 1/2 ton truck but I believe that it's less than 5% of all 1/2 ton truck owners (at least NEW 1/2 ton trucks).

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

You would be very wrong if you believe less than 1% of 1/2 owners don't use their truck for truck stuff.

What percent of NEW CrewCab $60k+ 1/2 ton truck owners take their truck offroad?? I doubt that many do that. Most of the trucks that go offroad are older trucks that are already dinged up. I would bet no more than 5% owner haul LARGE trailers for long distances with their 1/2 ton trucks. I don't know if there is such statistic but I would like to see it if it exists.
As I said, I had 6 Pickup Trucks and I remodeled homes (and still do at times) and I never went offroad and I never hauled more than 8000 lbs

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by MadInNc

Doesn’t do well in snow….

Wrong tires.. The factory all season tires won't cut it in the snow.. Just saying..

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Then most 1/2 ton truck owners buy their truck as a novelty.
I live outside of town, fairly rural area. Many people have trucks but I only know one of them who hauls a camper across the south with his Titan.
Most truck owners buy pickup trucks for their utility. Those shiny new F150 SuperCrew or Dodge Rams likely will never see the offroad.. Guys who do offroad stuff usually use old dinged up trucks for that and not $60k+ shiny new ones. The VAST majority buy them as daily driver and that they don't have to rent a truck every time they buy larger stuff from Home Depot or Lowes or haul stuff to the landfill. That covers probably most 1/2 ton pickup truck owners. Those who seriously haul large trailers for many miles usually don't buy 1/2 ton trucks. They get at least a 3/4 Ton or 1 Ton truck for that. When I hauled my race car, I first had a Sierra 2500 Turbo Diesel and then a F250 V10. I wouldn't have considered a smaller truck as I hauled my race car through the mountains at times to participate in races. Therefore, for the TYPICAL 1/2 ton buyer, the Cybertruck fits right in. I don't know what percent really go offroad or haul large trailers with a 1/2 ton truck but I believe that it's less than 5% of all 1/2 ton truck owners (at least NEW 1/2 ton trucks).

Great. So you finally admit that the Cybertruck is a novelty as opposed to an actual useful truck as you tried so hard to argue originally.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Wrong tires.. The factory all season tires won't cut it in the snow.. Just saying..

And initial real world tests indicate that changing to anything else apparently kills the range even more.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Great. So you finally admit that the Cybertruck is a novelty as opposed to an actual useful truck as you tried so hard to argue originally.

It's perfectly fine for the usage pattern of the vast majority of 1/2 ton truck owners. I personally would suggest that people who want to do true truck stuff will get 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks, not 1/2 ton.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

And initial real world tests indicate that changing to anything else apparently kills the range even more.

No doubt that range is impacted on both, EV and gas trucks if you change to offroad rated tires.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

No doubt that range is impacted on both, EV and gas trucks if you change to offroad rated tires.

The difference is that “range” on a gas truck is at most a minor nuisance.

Although based on the customer demographic, I guess taking even more range out of the Tesla wouldn’t matter if it’s only used to pick things up at Target and make and a quick stop at Starbucks.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I personally would suggest that people who want to do true truck stuff will get 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks, not 1/2 ton.

The 1 certainty is that it won’t be in a Tesla…