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My income was going North before the change in the white house, not I am paying less in taxes and my rate went down, I would like to make more but the Nobama admin cut independents pay in half, so I have taken another hit from Nobama as I am not a union or govt worker |
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That E.I.T.C. "gift" probably wipes out whatever that 47% may have paid into SS and Med. |
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What did we do when we were in college? Yeah, we had roomates to split expenses. What do Asian and Hispanic immigrants do (both legal and illegal)? Yeah, they live 15 people to a house, with each adult working and contributing. They make it work, why can't everyone else do the same? Here's the thing....whether we collect a minimum tax from people who are poor stewards of money or not, they are still going to have money problems because....they are poor stewards of money. Uncle Sam should be just like the Mob in this regard, he needs to get his cut first, and then folks can figure out how to survive on the rest. |
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This accurately describes a Republican mind to a tee … paint everyone with a broad brush. This is precisely why they are angry and bitter and their world is getting so small that they will soon become extinct. There are hundreds to thousands of American Citizens who are living, through no fault of their own, check to check. Starting in 2008, the entire world economic structure went through the worst recession since the Great Depression. Or did everyone forget that already?
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Hey, life sucks sometimes, even if it isn't our own fault, and many times when it is our fault. Go back and reread my post. What do broke people do? They move in together to share expenses. Oh, Mary has no job? Fine. She can watch the kids of Betty, Suzy and Pam while Betty, Suzy and Pam go off to work at their crappy low paying jobs. Everybody contributes. That's the way it goes. I once had 5 people living in my one bedroom apartment to make ends meet. Guess what? Even back then, I still paid a little bit of Federal Income Tax. Why can't Americans today do that? If Mary doesn't like the situation, she can find a job, make some money, and move out. If Betty, Suzy and Pam hate their jobs, they too can be looking for another, better job, while they work their crappy jobs to pay the bills. This is what personal responsibility looks like. And this also begs the question, pre-2008, before the recession, why didn't Mary, Betty, Suzy and Pam save some money for a rainy day? Why didn't they live BELOW their means, knowing that bad times may come one day? Why is their lack of planning MY fault? Making everyone contribute to government by paying SOME income tax is not mutually exclusive with smaller government. In fact, smaller government benefits pretty much everyone NOT on the government teat by bringing us closer to a balanced budget, creating less future debt for Americans. |
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Niel Boortz and John Linder wrote the Fair Tax book,read it and you will be a big fan.
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I am one of the 53% of Federal Income Tax Payers that pays his fair share, if you libs feel more is needed please send in extra for the 47% that wants the freebies you insist they are entitled to. I see only a few libs doing lots extra that we know of Bill Gates is one, but Stephen King needs to give all his income to taxes as he thinks tax on the rich is not enough and the feds already show the rich carry the rest of us, they produced the stats to back up my claims and especially the 47% that do not pay a fair share
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Let's start with taxing those who pay nothing first, then see where that goes.
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The correct answer is: all of the above. With regard to energy, we need to drill, baby, drill, burn more coal, increase our energy efficiency, build windmills, install more solar panels, all of it. We need to do everything we can to produce more and use less, for national security reasons. With regard to the National Debt, we need to get the 47% to start paying, we need to start slashing spending on everything, and this also needs to be done for national security reasons. The reasons the Soviets exited the world stage was because they were broke, not because they didn't have a kick ass military. That can and will be us if we don't do everything in our power to erase the National Debt. |
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As for "fair taxes". Lets suppose we have 2 families. One makes a million a year...the other 50k. The 50k family (most likely) with all their deductions received back money every year or pay 2k tops. The person who makes a million is in a 35-38% tax bracket...but lets say they have a good accountant and they reduce the tax load to 20%. Thats still 200k in paid taxes. One paid nothing...one pays 200k? Is it the fault of the millionaire that the 50k person isn't a millionaire? Not in my book. As an example of most small business owners I'll use my FIL. He started his company in 1983 with little more than 5k in funds and 1 assistant. In 28 years he's gone from 1 million in sales to 120 million. However, during that 28 years there were ups and downs. There were years he didn't make a dime of personal income. He drove 8 year old used cars. Didn't go out to dinner. Didn't take vacations. Downsized to a modest house and so on. Now that he's in the 100 million sales bracket life is very good financially. I don't begrudge him for his fortunes. He worked at his life and took himself from nothing to quite a bit. Most people who are living paycheck to paycheck seemingly cause it themselves. I know this because I used to live that way. In my earlier years I made 50k a year... But had a huge apartment, all the latest toys, full cable, cell phone, gym membership, brand new car every few years. It was unsustainable...and I knew that. So...what did I do? I woke up and realized I can't get ahead short term and not look at the long term. I downsized my apt to a 1 bdr, traded in my BMW for a used Cherokee with 100k miles, dropped cable, lowered my cell plan, and cut every expense I could. I used that extra money to start saving. I went back to school (while working 60 hours a week) and finished my masters and several certifications that made me more marketable (and thus provided a higher income). It was a sacrifice. I could have kept on living beyond the means I had...like most families do. I made a choice though...I sacrificed my short term wants for my long term needs. Again...personal responsibilities... Whenever I hear a Dem (or non Dem) bitch about people who make alot of money I instantly see them as jealous. Jealous that someone makes that much and they don't. Someone who has the finer things and they don't. But yet when you try and make them see "why" they got ahead, it falls on deaf ears. Why? The jealous person just wanted it all for nothing. He has it...so should I. Reminds me of this updated classic... cheesy I know...but pretty much sums things up. I didn't prepare myself for life, thus you must prepare for me. Quote:
I know many arab americans here locally in Michigan. I have a very good friend who owns the gas station down the street from my house. He came from Yemen with barely 1k in his pocket, a rusty command of english, and a family of 5. I asked him his story over beers one night. He worked for 15 years doing 3 jobs, went to night school (community ed) to learn english and business skills...then after saving up 100k over those 15 years purchased a station. He now owns 4 and is doing quite well. My moral of my long winded post? You want something...go out and fecking work hard for it. Otherwise STFU, get back in your cubicle, and continue your hate for people who have more than you. Last edited by wicked_c6; 03-23-2011 at 12:49pm. |
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