Supreme Court rules on healthcare law

[Joecooool]

I can't wait to see Romney campaign on repealing this bill when the legislation was based on his program to begin with.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I can't wait to see Romney campaign on repealing this bill when the legislation was based on his program to begin with.

He says he will repeal it on day one. He's either an idiot or is pandering to idiots, because he can't repeal a law with merely his signature.

He says he will replace it. I have an open mind, Mr. Romney - tell me what you will replace it with.

[Joecooool]

Here's the good news for the NeoCons: the Affordable Health Care Act covers butthurt.

[RedLS1GTO]

Sep 20, 2009

ABC News Interview


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: ...during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here - here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average - our families - in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that.

That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The - for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy ...

OBAMA: No, but - but, George, you - you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the ...

OBAMA: What - what - if I - if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I - I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's Dictionary: Tax - "a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but ...

OBAMA: ... what you're saying is ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?
OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.

Oops

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Here's the good news for the NeoCons: the Affordable Health Care Act covers butthurt.

Oh, and butthurt is no longer a "pre-existing condition" and you will not be kicked off your plan for butthurt, either.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Here's the good news for the NeoCons: the Affordable Health Care Act covers butthurt.

Too bad for liberals that there is no known cure for stupid.




So which is it?

Are you for it or against it?

You were very clear in your statements that said... and I quote:

Some of us would very much like the SCOTUS to strike this law down because "Obamacare" IS a conservative, market based approach. If this happens, it is a defeat for the conservative alternative to health care reform.

...

A defeat for the PPACA is a defeat for any future conservative, market-based approach to health-care reform.

Oh... you said it multiple times:

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Again.

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Some of us would very much like the SCOTUS to strike this law down because "Obamacare" IS a conservative, market based approach. If this happens, it is a defeat for the conservative alternative to health care reform.

Please remember that many of us had opposed the PPACA exactly because it was based upon the private sector, the insurance industry. We wanted a “Single Payer” program more in line with how most other countries provide these services. The basic idea behind both “Obamacare” and its model “Romenycare” was developed by the Heritage Foundation as “Free Market” alternative to the “Single Payer” plan.

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[73sbVert]

Send me to jail then. I refuse to take part in this charade and I adamantly refuse to pay one penny in this "tax".

Why am I being penalized for someone else's bad decisions, bad luck, or anything else NOT my responsibility? ???
This is pure bullshit. I don't expect anyone to pay for my shit, I damn sure don't need to be paying someone else's shit.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Too bad for liberals that there is no known cure for stupid.




So which is it?

Are you for it or against it?

You were very clear in your statements that said... and I quote:





Oh... you said it multiple times:

I wanted it struck down so that they could go to a single payer system by expanding medicaid/medicare for everyone.

What they did however, was good for now.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I wanted it struck down so that they could go to a single payer system by expanding medicaid/medicare for everyone.

What they did however, was good for now.

In that case, congratulations on "your side" for implementing the largest tax increase in the history of the United States... square on the shoulders of the middle class.

Too bad you can't argue that it isn't a tax anymore.

"... your taxes will not be raised by 1 penny"

[73sbVert]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I wanted it struck down so that they could go to a single payer system by expanding medicaid/medicare for everyone.

What they did however, was good for now.

Well, I for one thinks your plan sucks.

You and the fking gov't need to keep your grubby little hands out of my wallet.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Why is the government involved in marriage at all?

TAXES.....

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

In that case, congratulations on "your side" for implementing the largest tax increase in the history of the United States... square on the shoulders of the middle class.

Too bad you can't argue that it isn't a tax anymore.

"... your taxes will not be raised by 1 penny"

You do realize you are talking to someone who has been advocating for higher taxes for years right?

[mrvette]

30%+ is the measure of the underground economy the .gov never sees and never taxes.....30% of the TRUE GNP.....guess what???

it's going to over 50% now.....bet on that.....


cash is king my friends, cash is king.....

or more properly GOLD.....but that's another story.....



wife is age 60.5.....I"m age 68, I"m going to be outta here in a few short years....she is the one stuck with this bullshit.....

no way in hell she can afford that ~2500/year healthcare tax, not happening....pure and simple....

so they can't collect from a stone.....

****ing lawyers get rich and the folks get screwed is all it amounts to...

[kingpin]

Originally Posted by 73sbVert

Send me to jail then. I refuse to take part in this charade and I adamantly refuse to pay one penny in this "tax".

Why am I being penalized for someone else's bad decisions, bad luck, or anything else NOT my responsibility? ???
This is pure bullshit. I don't expect anyone to pay for my shit, I damn sure don't need to be paying someone else's shit.

So tell me.
















































Do you pronounce that "Sha-raid" or "Sha-rod"?

Just curious.

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by mrvette

TAXES.....

Did you see my follow up to that?

There's no reason to tax differently.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

You do realize you are talking to someone who has been advocating for higher taxes for years right?

Got it. While you spend most of your time arguing about how the evil conservatives hate the middle class, blah, blah, blah, you also support the largest tax increase in the history of this country, which just so happens to fall squarely on that same middle class.

Yep. Makes perfect sense.

[73sbVert]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Got it. While you spend most of your time arguing about how the evil conservatives hate the middle class, blah, blah, blah, you also support the largest tax increase in the history of this country, which just so happens to fall squarely on that same middle class.

Yep. Makes perfect sense.

You have to be SMART to be a liberal, you just have to THINK you are.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by kingpin

So tell me.

Do you pronounce that "Sha-raid" or "Sha-rod"?

Just curious.

Lets ask Audrey!

[Broken Wind]

So the mandate stays, but it's not really a mandate? Can someone explain how this gets paid for? Joe?

[PortDawg]

Born : Sept 17, 1787

Turned Legal: June 21, 1788

Died : June 28, 2012

Cause of Death: The stupidity of the three branches of the U.S. Government


Rest in Peace.