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Old 05-12-2020, 4:22pm   #1
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Toro 22" Recycler with the Briggs & Stratton engine. Seemed like it has been losing power lately, and today I couldn't get it started. A shot of starting fluid, and it ran like a champ for a few seconds, and died. There was gas in the bowl, and the main jet looked fine, but I shot it with carb cleaner and used a wire to clean out the holes I could see. Put it back together, started on the first pull, and ran like a champ for maybe 3-4 minutes before sounding like a wind up toy running out of wind.

My guess is there was a chunk of shit in that jet, so it ran when I cleaned it out, but that there must be more shit in the carb such that it clogged again right away. Does that sound reasonable?

I'm thinking I have to take the carb off and disassemble and clean the whole thing? Suggestions welcome. Thanks.

Edited to add: I used the Google machine, and it basically said to clean the main jet like I already had.
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Water in gas tank or bowl.
I had to change the belt at the beginning of the season, so all gas and oil was removed from the machine a few weeks ago. Fresh gas was added to the tank that I just bought a week or so ago. The bowl emptied itself when I removed the main jet.
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YUP, clean/drain the tank, and blow it all out clean, carb too, I bought a kit for my same mower last summer, around ten bux.....and redid the carb on the engine.....easy enough.....I also sped up the engine so I get to run around the mower instead of waltz along.....get it the HELL over with!!!!!
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I destroy lawnmowers, so I won't add my two cents.
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No kidding, I called ya twice last summer and you were getting lawnmowers both times


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I always go with the motto,

Clean carb twice,

Cut once.

Hope this helps!

Edit: Sounds like the OP has some trash in the fuel tank that is getting sucked into the carb.
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Truth. Lawnmowers and laptops.
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Toro 22" Recycler with the Briggs & Stratton engine. Seemed like it has been losing power lately, and today I couldn't get it started. A shot of starting fluid, and it ran like a champ for a few seconds, and died. There was gas in the bowl, and the main jet looked fine, but I shot it with carb cleaner and used a wire to clean out the holes I could see. Put it back together, started on the first pull, and ran like a champ for maybe 3-4 minutes before sounding like a wind up toy running out of wind.

My guess is there was a chunk of shit in that jet, so it ran when I cleaned it out, but that there must be more shit in the carb such that it clogged again right away. Does that sound reasonable?

I'm thinking I have to take the carb off and disassemble and clean the whole thing? Suggestions welcome. Thanks.

Edited to add: I used the Google machine, and it basically said to clean the main jet like I already had.
As others have said clean the entire fuel system including checking the lines and fittings. I've had some 90* fittings clog up with varnish before.

I had to do the same on my generator when we had some tornados knock the power out for a week. Sitting in the pitch black with a flashlight held in my mouth while disassembling and cleaning a carb was a pain in the ass.

Uhh..... I need to go check that Generator, don't want to go through that again.
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As others have said clean the entire fuel system including checking the lines and fittings. I've had some 90* fittings clog up with varnish before.

I had to do the same on my generator when we had some tornados knock the power out for a week. Sitting in the pitch black with a flashlight held in my mouth while disassembling and cleaning a carb was a pain in the ass.

Uhh..... I need to go check that Generator, don't want to go through that again.
As I said above, I had to change the belt to start the season, which meant turning the mower completely upside down. To do that, I emptied the crankcase and gas tank. There was no visible shit in the tank, but I took it off and blew it and the fuel line out with compressed air.
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As I said above, I had to change the belt to start the season, which meant turning the mower completely upside down. To do that, I emptied the crankcase and gas tank. There was no visible shit in the tank, but I took it off and blew it and the fuel line out with compressed air.
Which must mean that there are no restrictions in the lines or fittings right? A restriction doesn't mean a complete blockage nor does blowing air through it ensure there is no restriction. Since you've done it all and don't need any help determining what's wrong it must mean it's ready for the trash.
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Which must mean that there are no restrictions in the lines or fittings right? A restriction doesn't mean a complete blockage nor does blowing air through it ensure there is no restriction. Since you've done it all and don't need any help determining what's wrong it must mean it's ready for the trash.
Well, I have to take the carb off today, I can take the fuel line off, it is only about 6 inches long, and look down it to make sure it is clear. However, since the bowl was full of fuel yesterday when I pulled the main jet, it is unlikely to be a problem upstream of the carb.

This thing has done 7 full seasons, which is about when I walk them to the curb. But we are talking about moving in the next 2 years, hence the desire to not buy a new one. Changing the belt was kind of a pain, but only cost $15 to fix that. Upon fixing it, I realized one of the rear wheels was beat, easy fix, but cost me $35 for the wheels. When my wife got home last night, I was in the garage working on the carb, and she was asking what I was doing etc. and I said "you know how you ask me why I just walk these things to the curb every 7 or 8 years? THIS is why." It's basically cheap Chinese garbage and 7-8 seasons is about all they last before they become a complete pain in the ass. This one has reached pain in the ass stage.
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Well, I have to take the carb off today, I can take the fuel line off, it is only about 6 inches long, and look down it to make sure it is clear. However, since the bowl was full of fuel yesterday when I pulled the main jet, it is unlikely to be a problem upstream of the carb.

This thing has done 7 full seasons, which is about when I walk them to the curb. But we are talking about moving in the next 2 years, hence the desire to not buy a new one. Changing the belt was kind of a pain, but only cost $15 to fix that. Upon fixing it, I realized one of the rear wheels was beat, easy fix, but cost me $35 for the wheels. When my wife got home last night, I was in the garage working on the carb, and she was asking what I was doing etc. and I said "you know how you ask me why I just walk these things to the curb every 7 or 8 years? THIS is why." It's basically cheap Chinese garbage and 7-8 seasons is about all they last before they become a complete pain in the ass. This one has reached pain in the ass stage.
Well it very well may be ready for the trash. BUT if you want to keep it running for 2 more years you'll have to chase those rabbits down a hole until you find which hole they're hiding in.
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I took the carb off, and it looked remarkably clean inside. The fuel line was clean too. I did the normal stuff of running a piece of wire down all the holes I could find, and didn't really find much interesting at all. I did see one tiny chunk of black shit fall out of somewhere, and thought "maybe that was it". Put the machine back together, one pull, cut the back yard.

Thanks for the advice!
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Prepare for next time. Get a spray can of Berkebile Carb Cleaner ( might be berkebile gum cutter)

Best carb cleaner you can get. It doesn't take much to screw up a carb. that "little black spec" caused your frustration
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Prepare for next time. Lmber up the 12 gauge loaded with 00 buck. Shoot the sumbitch several times. Get a new one.

That "little black spec" caused your frustration
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What do I know? My "every week" machines are a pair of 1968 Cub Cadet 125's
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What do I know? My "every week" machines are a pair of 1968 Cub Cadet 125's
My edit was intended to be "cute", not serious.
It takes both an invested community (Cub Forums, Car Forums etc) and a certain set of skills (like having a master machinist with a pretty nice shop; or some determined fool with a portable carport and a well house packed with tools) to keep the good old stuff running. I hope we all have shared enough with some younger enthusiasts to keep the flame alive!
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