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03-28-2024, 10:32am | #2261 | ||||||
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BTW, I found the Carfax report (but the link is no longer active) of the Honda Odyssey that was sold with 95k miles on the odometer..
The link to the report is no longer active but I do have the VIN from back then. It was only 9 years ago.. in 2015. VIN 5FNRL38675B018478 You probably have carfax access and you can check the odometer history on that car. I was not lying. |
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The better thing to do is to look at previous title mileages which are available at the DMV/BMV of any state. Unlike Carfax, those are correct. Carfax is only valuable if someone religiously used reporting businesses for maintenance... and was then stupid enough to change an odometer after the fact. A 75k mile car with a worn out brake pedal is a hell of a lot better indicator of fraud than Carfax. |
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The entire point being that dealers aren't the ones rolling mileage. It's quite simply not worth it to do so, even for the shadiest scumbag out there. A mileage rollback done exactly as you claim wouldn't have even made it beyond the title office. There's no way that sale would have ever gone through the paperwork processing, much less gone through undetected. This was actually titled at a higher mileage and then lowered again which would have clearly flagged a "Not Actual" on the title, which is exactly what actually happened. This wasn't a Carfax detected mileage change using their super sleuthing skills. Funny story. You might be happy to know that the dealer in this case is almost certainly the 1 that got ripped off. My bet, they didn't process the title before it hit the lot. If they had, it would have been flagged already. The ONLY possibility of the dealer being in the wrong is if it actually did have a "Not Actual" flag which was not disclosed properly. And yes, there are very specific requirements around that as well. |
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It was then titled again with a "non actual" exempt title and has been "N/A Exempt" ever since. The point that you are missing is that there is no way that anybody could have ever titled the car with 95k miles at the point in time that you are claiming. It simply could not happen. Even if you signed off on it and bought it, it could have never actually been titled. I find it very hard (impossible) to believe that any dealer would have been stupid enough to try to bring a title to an office that said 95k when a previous title showed 165k. That doesn't make sense. Even if they did trick a customer, they could never actually transfer the title. The ONLY scenario by which the shadiest of dealers could have possibly been trying to trick a customer by rolling back the odometer is if they rolled it back and subsequently changed the title applications and odometer disclosures to show N/A mileage. For this to happen, they would have to either flat out forge your signature (and notarize it), or somehow get you to sign an odometer disclosure that is required by law to have a gigantic bold font header that says "Not Actual Mileage". This signed and notarized Odometer Disclosure Statement is part of the paperwork that gets presented to the BMV/DMV for title transfer. |
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Now, onto my EV tale. A friend of mine and his wife from Michigan spend winters in LA with their sons. He drives a Tesla Model X and he always takes the far south route when driving back to Michigan. He takes I-10 east to San Antonio and then he heads north to Michigan. This year, his wife flew home and he called and asked if I wanted to ride with him from LA to my home, which is about 35 miles north of San Antionio. I thought it would be a nice trip, so last week I flew to LA, spent a few days looking around (**** that place...the traffic SUCKS!), and then I met up with him to start the trip. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING, on the trip was based on where he could find a Tesla Supercharger to recharge the car. Holy shit, what a pain in the ass that is! We had no urgency to get back to San Antonio, but whenever I suggested a slight detour to do some sightseeing, the answer was always "That takes us out of the way of the charging station". **** that! We drove over 1200 miles and he didn't/couldn't/wouldn't deviate even a few miles from his pre-planned routes. Charging every 200 miles took about 25 minutes and it was surprising to see the same people, who were also heading east, at every charging station. Not only was the charging a PITA, but the ****ing road noise in the car is almost unbearable. Evidently, Tesla either doesn't install sound deadening material in the Model X, or they forgot it in this car. We basically had to yell to have a conversation. My fried said that his wife complains constantly about the noise. Also, his car has 84k miles on it and it's on its FIFTH set for front CV axle joints and its fourth set of tires. The first four sets of CV joints were covered under warranty. He paid $2k for the fifth set. Apparently there's a known design flaw in the older Model X vehicles (his is a 2019), and there's no fix for it. The moral of the story: **** EVs, **** Tesla...and **** JOE BIDEN! |
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As for the axle issue. It is a known issue on older Model X that was fixed with the 2022 refresh. As for road noise, I only got a ride in an older Model X many years ago, and I don't recall any noise. My 2022 Model X is very quiet, even at higher speed.. All you hear is the some wind noise.. No tire or motor noise. I usually travel on the fastest route, so, no issues with chargers. I wonder if your friend had the factory tires. Going with certain tires can increase sound level. The factory tires are designed to be silent. |
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If the accusation really is that they would have forged an odometer disclosure, which includes a notarized signature, in order to sneak it through, I'd say they probably didn't last too long as a business. I can't imagine a dealer risking multiple felonies to get an extra $1500 on a minivan. But who knows. |
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They also give you a bunch of documents to sign. What if they just sneaked it in and hoped that the buyer would not notice it? |
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1 Box has to be checked, either Actual or Not. In addition to the original odometer tampering, you've now added multiple counts of forgery and fraud to the list. All of which are proven very easily since the customer has a copy of the odometer statement and title application from the time of sale. You have to commit multiple felonies, all easily detectable, to do what you are claiming. Impossible? No... but it sure seems like a pretty bold strategy to try to make a few extra bucks on a minivan. |
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Let's go back to the overarching theme of the argument. It is spelled out so simply that even someone that has absolutely no idea what they are talking about is able to figure it out very easily. It's not buried in fine print somewhere. If you manage to miss "Not Actual Mileage", not once, but 3 different times when you are buying a car, you're an absolute idiot. |
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Does that make it right to screw them? Nope. Does it happen? Sure does. |
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For at least the tenth time, what new law or regulation would prevent that? The Odometer Disclosure form is mandated by the government for this very reason. If people choose not to read it that's on them. No additional law or form will change that. I can't even figure out what you're arguing for or against any more as your argument keeps changing. |
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I’ve never had a dealer try to stop me from reading anything and I’ve never done it myself. Take some responsibility for your own shit. Your argument is on par with saying it’s the car’s fault for someone driving 100mph … because they didn’t know to look at the speedometer. |
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