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You put way more thought into that response than this forum deserves. All you will get from the other side is a one or two line non sequitor containing a half dozen slashes, two asterisks, and four references to so-called conservative talking heads.
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I'm just a bit tired of hearing how people with money should be ashamed. Do I wish I were a hedge fund manager making 100 million a year? Hells yes. Could I go complete another masters (in economics), start at a firm, work my way up, prove my competence with funds, and in 15 years or so be making silly amounts of money... Probably...its likely I'll be making more than I do now. However, I've given up on trying to make a million a year. There was a time in my early 30s that I wanted to be a CIO at a huge fortune 500 company. I was working my way towards that - but found a comfy niche with a smaller company that paid less, but offered my more in freedom to do my job the way I wanted. I'm quite happy where I am at in life - and so I don't feel like taking more college, taking on more work, or sacrificing time with my family. |
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"people with money" shouldn't be "ashamed" for having money. they should be ashamed for the fact that they made it off the backs of other hard working,loyal people or inherited it & when the SHTF they piss on their heads. it's their country,too & it's time to step up. think of it as a fee for enjoying the right to do bidness in the most fertile capitalist garden in the universe.
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You know, I have a twenty-something stepson you need to meet. He lives in his dad's basement too. In all sincerity, the only people I have ever known who think like that are those who made some horrendous choices in life and resent everyone and anyone who has it better than them. If this describes you, I will not even piss on your head. |
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A person has two choices in life. Be a worker or be an owner. Owners are loyal. As I just proved in an earlier post most business owners are hardworking. However, owners are in business to perpetuate their business and to profit. This means paying people a wage that allows the company to profit. Just the way it is - and it has built this country and the citizens in it up to unprecedented levels not seen in other countries. Again, if one of those hard working, loyal workers would like - they have all the freedom (well for now anyway ) to go out and start their own business. And when they do...they can make all their workers equal to themselves...and pay them all what he makes. Lets see how long that business lasts. An owner (usually) has a skill. Their skill is organizing the business, funding it, and maintaining the bottom line, again to keep perpetuating. As such they garner the most of the profit. And why shouldn't they - they've risked their savings and pledged their hardwork to get it going - whereas an employee just walks in and can walk out whenever they'd like. A shitty business owner who doesn't treat workers well will find themselves out of business soon. Why? Because another clever person will come along and find a way to make the same product better and/or the shitty owner will not be able to keep good employees. As for inheriting money... If I work for 30 years and save my money and do the right thing in life...you better believe I want that money to go to a person of my choice. If I could make 10 billion so my future generations would never have to worry about money - Warren Buffet I am not, I would do so. |
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z06 - if you really think that, then someone, somewhere has really done you wrong. True to life there are businesses that crap on their employees - and you hear all about it in the news. However, there are companies that bend over backwards to keep their employees happy. I've been at many of them...its just a matter of finding one that fits. If you don't mind me asking - how old are you? Broken - your last statement rings quite true. My brother in law, and sister in law are like this. They both dropped out of college to travel around Europe. Came back and never returned to school. Lived way beyond their means. Had kids before they were 25, etc etc. Lets just say years of dumb choices. Everytime I see them I get little digs of, "Well you make so much why don't you do X for them." or something to dig in that I have made alot more of myself. I never forget to remind them of the crappy choices they made, and then the good choices I had made. I always end with..."Its not to late. You are only 31 - go back and finish your degree." And yet they never do. Last edited by wicked_c6; 03-23-2011 at 2:41pm. |
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There is absolutely no reason for anyone not to succeed to the level they wish. If that wasn't true there would be no wealthy people, especially to include musicians, actors and such. I truly believe those on the left who are socialists actually believe everyone else is to stupid to do what they have accomplished. But yet they don't want to help, they want to take from others. pitiful. Last edited by RetiredSFC 97; 03-23-2011 at 2:48pm. |
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ALL wealth was built on the backs of others. ALL. It is what drives economies. Its what builds nations. It is the reason why people strive to be greater - and keeps innovation alive. Again, otherwise why would people do more than they had to to survive? People who make millions by gambling on the stock market do contribute to the economy. They take those millions and buy an insane amount of high dollar items that keeps the rest of the economy humming along. It employs people to build their houses. Make their cars and so on. And somewhere in there a single guy will start a company that services that stock market millionaire in some way (lets say home audio or by creating a building company) and that person will be the next millionaire on the block. Again, take a step back and see the larger picture play out. There will always be people who feck other people in business and in life. Be wary and it will happen seldom. Congrats to you and the top 5% thing... I'm happy when someone makes it ahead in life. Conversely though - do you think the lineman (or whatever it is) that pounds spikes into tracks should make what you make? Provided you are more educated, have been there longer, and are more in demand than a guy who can strike a hammer to a nail. I respect WB opinion on taxes though respectfully disagree. He can have that opinion when he makes untold billions. He also isn't going to leave any of it to his children. Which I respect - but disagree on why he would do it. However it is his fortune to do as he wishes with. However, I'll point out the irony that there is nothing stopping Mr Buffet from donating his billions to the Govt right now. He doesn't need to wait for Congress to raise taxes. He can do it now...and without penalty. No one provides my "thoughts". I have many...some are liberal...most are conservative. However, I don't disparage someone for their thinking. But I do for their lack of understanding on why they think a certain way. I couldn't disagree more on your comment about wealthy making it on their own. Though maybe I'm misinterpreting it. I gather that to mean that people who are wealthy didn't earn it or were dropped into it. I think that is a very small percentage of average America that this happens to. Though I could probably research a bit and find out...its kind of a broad statement for you to make. Kinda like saying all black people like grape koolaid. Some might...but not all of them. Most large companies started out very small. Usually with the owner toiling away for years. Yes, there's the lucky few that invent something that go from rags to riches...but I would venture that a small percentage. I am quite familiar with Warren and Berkshire. I own their stock. Your posts do confuse me though. You say there is nothing wrong with being wealthy...yet as you go on...your post says only bad things about the wealthy and how they attained wealth. Which is it? And what are these phrases other people tell me to think? I didn't get that memo yet. |
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Sorry. No.
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Wicked has already addressed the fact that virtually no one becomes wealthy on his own. But you interpret that to mean that no one becomes wealthy without "screwing the little guy". Well, BULLSHIT. You are tipping your hand. You need to hold it closer to your chest. |
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Holy cow. A union guy is lecturing us on wealth creation.
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There was nothing to admit. If someone doesn't know that...then they aren't very smart. But its a necessary thing and I certainly don't see it as a negative. Some people are meant to lead...some are meant to follow. I respect each for different reasons. Which economies are you speaking of that are heavily taxed and are the best? Unions do have benefits then I'm glad to hear it. You didn't answer my question though - do you think the guy driving that hammer and nail deserve what you make? Keeping in mind you want to make sure your company stays in business? I still have no clue as to what these People Who Make My Thinking are. Are you referring to Fox News? Rush LImbaugh? And all those types? If so, they are one aspect of my news source. I also DVR Rachel Maddow, Ed show, and a few other shows. I like to listen to all the perspectives and then make my decision based on all that has been presented. Listening to only one source is (as you know) not going to give you an informed opinion. I disagree at times with everyone I listed...but I sure do get a more complete picture to form my opinion. Again...I respect your thoughts on the matter. I just think that blaming the rich (which if you are the top 5% - you are "the evil rich") or making statements that most businesses are corrupt or screw people is a broad generalization. I think its quite the opposite. At any rate... Good convo. |
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He just made it more apparent by summing it up. I dunno... |
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a *reasonable* man will interpret it for what it is. the truth. even you admit it. BTW you omitted the rest of the sentence to try to make your lie work. it didn't.
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