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This is meant to be lighthearted and thanks MrPeabody, you get it!
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It is very interesting to see the difference in views between medical and non medical staff.

Do you think the mechanic at the dealership knows more than the hot-rodder in his garage?

Do you think the kid at Autozone knows more about cars than you?

The job doesn't make you an automatic expert in the field. Maybe better tools, but that's no guarantee you can use them.

I went to an ear doctor today that asked ME what antibiotic I wanted.

I said, I mean no offense, but shouldn't you know what I need?
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Ah, see? This is exactly why grandma is going to die because you're not wearing that mask. She knows that the Constitution and all conjugates have a capital C.
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My grammar gets much better the more I drink, and it's still early on the west coast.
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Do you think the mechanic at the dealership knows more than the hot-rodder in his garage?

Do you think the kid at Autozone knows more about cars than you?

The job doesn't make you an automatic expert in the field. Maybe better tools, but that's no guarantee you can use them.

I went to an ear doctor today that asked ME what antibiotic I wanted.

I said, I mean no offense, but shouldn't you know what I need?
Sir, in order to make sure you get the right windshield wiper blades, I'll have to know what size engine your truck has, and also whether it's 4wd or not. I'm a trained professional.
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Luckily these folks are wearing masks. So responsible.


Guy at Home Depot not wearing a mask? Killing grandmas every five minutes.

Guy in red smashing the bank window? Baklava mask, which is a mask made of a sweet honey and nut treat coated in mask fabric.
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My grammar gets much better the more I drink, and it's still early on the west coast.
I lost both my grammars years ago, but I still miss them.

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Come again?
Sure, just let me get a glass of chocolate milk and 15 minutes...

Wait, what?
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Do you think the kid at Autozone knows more about cars than you?
Come again? I went to the Autozone last week bearing an Autozone battery for my Ranger, Told the sales wimp I wanted to replace the battery in question with a new one just like that and the fool couldn't even search his database by part number to determine if he had a replacement in stock. In frustration I told the assembled staff I had a 2004 Ford Ranger with a 4.0 liter v6 and needed a new battery. It took 3 salesholes 5 minutes to decide i wanted a replacement battery of the exact part number of the core I had arrived with.
So NO, the kid at the Vatozone and all his coworkers are assholes who know jack shit about cars but they get paid as if they did, and actually gave a shit, anyway.
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These I feel are helpful in the very early stages of the illness. ALL of our patients that made the nasty turn for the worse, once they got to that point of coming to the ER and being admitted, none of the above showed ANY efficacy, so it was removed from our hospitals protocol, and we are a multi state facility.

Some studies do show that this is effective PRE illness as a preventative.

I am taking high dose c/zinc daily.

I think you are a cool lady and all, and at the risk of alienating you on this forum, I would like to say that you are also caught up in the politics of it. To a depth that you don't recognize because you are too close. If you could be objective and understand that we all know this virus can kill you...there is no doubt. But so can a million other things and at a HIGHER probability than COVID. You will never, in 5 lifetimes, convince me that someone dodged a bullet because of a 99 cent bandanna. That piece of cloth will never be the difference between life and death. You will never convince me that EVERY patient in the ICU didn't wear a mask. You will never convince me that a 99.6 or 99.8% survival rate warrants the actions being taken. You will never convince me that more people have the virus today, than did 8 weeks ago. You will never convince me that a kid on a swing set in a park with his mom is more is a health risk or in more danger than a rock throwing arsonist thug in Minneapolis.

You are too close to be objective. I stand my my analogy that the war from the soldier's perspective is very different than from the general's. You are surrounded by sick and dying and think we are all going to be sick and dying. If I was surrounded by beautiful bikini clad women feeding me grapes, I would think the world was a pretty awesome place. Same world, different view.

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Come again? I went to the Autozone last week bearing an Autozone battery for my Ranger, Told the sales wimp I wanted to replace the battery in question with a new one just like that and the fool couldn't even search his database by part number to determine if he had a replacement in stock. In frustration I told the assembled staff I had a 2004 Ford Ranger with a 4.0 liter v6 and needed a new battery. It took 3 salesholes 5 minutes to decide i wanted a replacement battery of the exact part number of the core I had arrived with.
So NO, the kid at the Vatozone and all his coworkers are assholes who know jack shit about cars but they get paid as if they did, and actually gave a shit, anyway.
That's my point. There is a doctor somewhere that thinks a fellow doctor doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. They are not automatically right because they got through college. The title doesn't make you an expert. Fauci for example.
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This thread so far:

It's a given we're being COVID-played,

Nancy Pelosi is hoarding expensive ice cream.

The DNC killed Seth Rich.

Michelle Obama has a penis.

Any questions?
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I think you are a cool lady and all, and at the risk of alienating you on this forum, I would like to say that you are also caught up in the politics of it. To a depth that you don't recognize because you are too close. If you could be objective and understand that we all know this virus can kill you...there is no doubt. But so can a million other things and at a HIGHER probability than COVID. You will never, in 5 lifetimes, convince me that someone dodged a bullet because of a 99 cent bandanna. That piece of cloth will never be the difference between life and death. You will never convince me that EVERY patient in the ICU didn't wear a mask. You will never convince me that a 99.6 or 99.8% survival rate warrants the actions being taken. You will never convince me that more people have the virus today, than did 8 weeks ago. You will never convince me that a kid on a swing set in a park with his mom is more is a health risk or in more danger than a rock throwing arsonist thug in Minneapolis.

You are too close to be objective. I stand my my analogy that the war from the soldier's perspective is very different than from the general's. You are surrounded by sick and dying and think we are all going to be sick and dying. If I was surrounded by beautiful bikini clad women feeding me grapes, I would think the world was a pretty awesome place. Same world, different view.

Hyperbole much?

Not once have I said we were all gonna die from this.

Not once have I said a bandana was the answer.

Not once have I even slightly implied that everyone should wear a mask everywhere they go.

I don't watch the news on this topic, so no, I don't give a crap about the politics.

By seeing the posts on my FB feed, it is easy to derive that the leftist liberals seem to be pushing masks for all, all the time, stay HOME... and right wingers are anti mask and pro give me my freedom, this is just the flu!

I am in the middle, proper masks in the proper scenario.

Not that hard really.

Dumbasses abound on either side.

It is ostrich like to assume this is just grandma, just the flu and just the sick that are dying. When it is your loved one that dies, get back to me on the above "just" list and let me know.
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That's my point. There is a doctor somewhere that thinks a fellow doctor doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. They are not automatically right because they got through college. The title doesn't make you an expert. Fauci for example.
That is the case in ANY profession, that is no new news.


Holy shit, people will debate for months the best part on a car, you think they wont disagree on a complex subject like this?

Some docs hand out opioids like it is candy and have had tons of their patients overdose, they see NO problem with how they practice medicine. Other docs hand out antibiotics to everyone with allergies or a virus.... having that degree does not mean you will make good decisions.
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That is the case in ANY profession, that is no new news.


Holy shit, people will debate for months the best part on a car, you think they wont disagree on a complex subject like this?

Some docs hand out opioids like it is candy and have had tons of their patients overdose, they see NO problem with how they practice medicine. Other docs hand out antibiotics to everyone with allergies or a virus.... having that degree does not mean you will make good decisions.
YES! And that pretty much applies to all the "experts" on any given subject. I can't even begin to tell you how much a PC gaming platform is better than a gaming console, but then I can't even begin to tell you how much better Linux is than Windows. But actually I can.

I can't tell you if thorium is a better candidate for a nuclear reactor, or perhaps a hydrogen isotope. But I can tell you that nuclear fusion will kick the ass of thorium, and thorium reactors would be much better than current uranium reactors. But better might not even be a term that would apply. So you want to get into the weeds? Complicated things are complicated but when trying to dissect why our economy was almost destroyed because of the WuFlu, things simplify greatly. First thing: Orange Man Bad Second Thing: Billions of Dollars at stake : Third thing: Delicious Baklava
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That is the case in ANY profession, that is no new news.


Holy shit, people will debate for months the best part on a car, you think they wont disagree on a complex subject like this?

Some docs hand out opioids like it is candy and have had tons of their patients overdose, they see NO problem with how they practice medicine. Other docs hand out antibiotics to everyone with allergies or a virus.... having that degree does not mean you will make good decisions.
I guess I am absolutely 100% confused about your position. I read one post that goes one way and the next goes the other way. I don't know if I have piss poor comprehension, or you are struggling with this issue and are just not certain what to think. I'm certainly willing to accept that it is me and I'm just reading it all wrong.

My position, on the other hand is very succinct.

The virus is real, everything outside of that fact is bullshit.
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All this discussion about how masks don't work and not one reason why not!
According to some we don't need to cough or sneeze into our sleeve anymore yet mankind has been doing it for years to prevent spreading germs
BOY WERE WE WRONG, now I can just let it fly
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I guess I am absolutely 100% confused about your position. I read one post that goes one way and the next goes the other way. I don't know if I have piss poor comprehension, or you are struggling with this issue and are just not certain what to think. I'm certainly willing to accept that it is me and I'm just reading it all wrong.

My position, on the other hand is very succinct.

The virus is real, everything outside of that fact is bullshit.
How the hell have you become confused, I think I have made it very clear my position.

I also made it clear that there are doctors out there that are stupid.

Is that helpful?

"The virus is real, everything outside of that is bullshit!" Ummm, come on man..... low information much.
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Sarcasm and personal attacks don't fit you.

There are a whole bunch of peer-reviewed studies in the link posted earlier, most of which conclude that cloth masks and bandannas do very little to prevent the spread of this virus. Did you read those? Are they all wrong?

All the media talks about for Florida is the "surge" in cases, without talking about the rate of positive cases, the rate of hospitalizations, or the death rate. Why is that? Could it be because those other stats, which I'd offer are far more important than the raw number of new cases, doesn't support the argument for masks, more lockdowns, and other draconian measures? Nah, that couldn't be it.

While the raw number of cases here is "surging," hospitals are largely empty and the number of CV deaths is dropping by the day.

This isn't really an argument about masks, it's an argument about a giant overreaction by health "experts" who can't ever admit they're wrong, and giant overreach by politicians, who have the same problem with ever admitting they're wrong. History won't be kind to how this was handled.
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Healthy people who are not sneezing, coughing, and flinging spittle in all directions aren't the ones spreading this disease. There's zero evidence that someone who isn't showing any symptoms can spread this through their exhalations, and surgical masks aren't designed to stop particles the size of this virus anyway. But this isn't really about evidence or science, is it? The goalposts constantly shift, there is no real goal in sight that would allow us to return to normal. "Wait until a vaccine!" Uh, name one vaccine for a corona virus that works? "Wait until the election, we got to destroy the economy good and hard" is more like it.

And about that vaccine. The "experts" can't even say definitively whether you are immune from the virus after contracting it and getting over it. Think about that! But their vaccine will make you immune? Really? But actually having it might not? Such science, such brilliant!
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