So Papa John is a Butt Hole

[Will]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Seems a bit petty to me Will. Sorry.

It's not petty. Businesses constantly have to adjust to and compensate for government regulation and taxation. It's REALITY.

This isn't the first time tax changes or regulatory changes have and will spark business changes that hurt employees. Happens ALL THE TIME because SOME PEOPLE on capital hill are completely brainless.

This "EVIL GREED" meme is a truly pathetic response to something WE ALL KNEW WAS COMING if the law was going to be fully implemented. We all knew it was coming not because we could predict that a bunch of CEOs would throw a tantrum, we knew it was coming because common sense and business reality dictated it.

But now that the time has come the left has ginned up the same old disgusting b.s. they used in the election. Scapegoating others for THEIR failures and demonizing them. Truly sickening.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

You've got to be delusional to think that Papa John's CEO is evil and is simply trying to stick it to Obama or stick it to his employees to hurt Obama.

Where did you read that in my post?

[Will]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Where did you read that in my post?

I'm speaking in general of this meme that has popped up and was repeated here by the OP.

[Will]

I guess you old farts don't do twitter so you're a few days behind.

[SteelCityBlue]

Originally Posted by Will

Uh, marketing and sales go hand in hand. If they had to market them at 12.14, they'd SELL LESS.

Anyone who thinks this wouldn't greatly effect sales is clueless.

It won't effect sales that much and far from clueless. It just doesn't work in this market. Sorry. I could go into the whole discretionary spending market theory, but if I wanted to teach at vandy I would.

And the thought sales and marketing go hand in hand is ubsurd. Anyone who has worked at a major corporation in sales will tell you marketing and sales spend most of the time at each other's throats.

My point is he's an idiot. And the same costs of 14 cents will be picked up somewhere else like a 25 cent up in the delivery charge at Domino's and no one will say shit.

[Will]

Also, in my haste to ridicule this dumb liberal argument that has been making the rounds, I also forgot to point out that the OP was hyperbole that is completely full of ****.

Papa John's founder and CEO John Schnatter said the president's signature health-care reform law would increase his business costs and possibly result in employees' hours being cut.

Schnatter, a part-time Naples resident, made the comments Wednesday night inside a small auditorium at Edison State College's Collier County campus. In August, he made national headlines after telling shareholders the Affordable Care Act — commonly known as Obamacare — would result in a 10- to 14-cent increase for customers buying a pizza.

"I got in a bunch of trouble for this," he told the students. "That's what you do, is you pass on costs. Unfortunately, I don't think people know what they're going to pay for this."

Schnatter, a Mitt Romney supporter and fundraiser, said he was not "pro or against" the reform law but likened the government's involvement in health care to its operation of the U.S. Postal Service, saying "the worst entity in the world for running the thing is the government."

About a third of Papa John's employees are covered by the company's health insurance plan, although Schnatter said he has always wanted 100 percent of them on the plan. The rising costs of health insurance, he said, have been a deterrent.

"The good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance. We're all going to pay for it," he said, estimating the new law would cost the business $5 million to $8 million annually.

Under the Affordable Care Act, full-time employees — those working 30 hours or more per week — would have to be provided with insurance at companies with more than 50 workers. Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them.

"That's probably what's going to happen," he said. "It's common sense. That's what I call lose-lose."

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[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Will

There's a reason I can buy a Large 3-Topping for $11.99 instead of 12.14.

These decisions aren't made by throwing darts at a board.

This is what makes the "EVIL PAPA JOHN" argument even more hilariously stupid.

If Papa Johns is such an evil money grubber and an "ass-hole" as stated by the OP, then why wasn't he already charging me $12.14???

The answer is that the decline in number of pizzas sold at 12.14 will cost more than the additional 15 cent revenue generate by the number of pizza sold at the new price.

Insane leftists with zero business knowledge LITERALLY think that "a 15 cent price hike wouldn't change anything."

The minds of children.

A fifteen cent difference in price for a product produced by a major national player in a mature industry characterized by price competition and tight margins can literally alter units sold by the thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions.

So you are perfectly fine with Papa Johns having the government subsidize his employees health care. You don't give two shits that your tax dollars pay for the medicaid and ER services his employees now have to use when they get sick.

Its ALWAYS only one side with you guys.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Will

Uh, marketing and sales go hand in hand. If they had to market them at 12.14, they'd SELL LESS.

Anyone who thinks this wouldn't greatly effect sales is clueless.

Consumers aren't always captive, ESPECIALLY when it comes to food.

We're not talking about the local cable monopoly here, where any costs can always be passed on with minimal blow-back.

It is not as simple as "pass the cost on" and nothing else will change. A LOT will change.

You've got to be delusional to think that Papa John's CEO is evil and is simply trying to stick it to Obama or stick it to his employees to hurt Obama.

If you think someone isn't going to pay 14 cents more for a pizza, you're nuts.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

So you are perfectly fine with Papa Johns having the government subsidize his employees health care.

No, but the left is apparently, since they seem hell bent on constantly driving up healthcare costs.

About a third of Papa John's employees are covered by the company's health insurance plan, although Schnatter said he has always wanted 100 percent of them on the plan. The rising costs of health insurance, he said, have been a deterrent.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

If you think someone isn't going to pay 14 cents more for a pizza, you're nuts.

Nice straw-man. Try harder.

Someone will, AND someone won't.

If you think someone isn't going to refrain from ordering a pizza for 14 cents more, you no absolutely nothing about business.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Will

No, but the left is apparently, since they seem hell bent on constantly driving up healthcare costs.

Name one single thing your side did to lower healthcare cost in the past two decades.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Name one single thing your side did to lower healthcare cost in the past two decades.

Ditto.



I can name PROPOSALS that constantly get shot-down.

Republicans have repeatedly called for allowing more interstate health insurance products and for the pooling of health insurance customers in ways that do not involve trampling individual liberty and selling out ordinary Americans to Big Democratic Party interests and big insurance oligopolies.

PPACA is a nightmare that will drive costs upward, and actually STRENGTHENS the factors contributing to past increases in costs.

I know you haven't actually read it, but I also know you won't take my word for it, so check it out yourself.

[Will]

In addition, old thread with the brief and broad introductory look I gave PPACA after my first 2 pass throughs:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/p...revisited.html

Unfortunately things didn't work out and I didn't get to revisit this and drill down deeper for a more thorough and substantive autopsy, but it's a good start for some basic 10,000 foot level views.

[Will]

I can't remember if I brought it up back then, but ONE good Democrat idea actually came out of California of all places.

There IS actually an ideal place for more involved govt. regulation - med mal insurance. Unlike Obama and the Democrat's flat out lies about price gouging in health insurance, that IS actually taking place with med-mal in a lot of places, since Doctors ARE captive and are a smaller market than the public at large.

So there's a Democrat idea I think was good, before anyone takes me as a hyperpartisan.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Will

Ditto.



I can name PROPOSALS that constantly get shot-down.

Republicans have repeatedly called for allowing more interstate health insurance products and for the pooling of health insurance customers in ways that do not involve trampling individual liberty and selling out ordinary Americans to Big Democratic Party interests and big insurance oligopolies.

PPACA is a nightmare that will drive costs upward, and actually STRENGTHENS the factors contributing to past increases in costs.

I know you haven't actually read it, but I also know you won't take my word for it, so check it out yourself.

Just about all the people saying Obamacare will not reduce cost are the right wing backed sources.

Obamacare will help drive down health care costs - CNN.com

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by SteelCityBlue

It won't effect sales that much and far from clueless. It just doesn't work in this market. Sorry. I could go into the whole discretionary spending market theory, but if I wanted to teach at vandy I would.

And the thought sales and marketing go hand in hand is ubsurd. Anyone who has worked at a major corporation in sales will tell you marketing and sales spend most of the time at each other's throats.

My point is he's an idiot. And the same costs of 14 cents will be picked up somewhere else like a 25 cent up in the delivery charge at Domino's and no one will say shit.

Not only that but consider this. Across the country, sick employees with neither insurance nor paid sick days go to work at his stores and make pizza on a daily basis.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Will, take 5 minutes away from railing on Coool and address SteelCity. I'm not at all knowlegible on this topic. He appears to be.

[kingpin]

The dude could have put one less slice of pepperoni to save the .14 cents.
It's his perogative to do what he wants but it seems pretty shifty.
He could have done this all quietly no matter what decision he made but chose to make it a media event. That's what makes him a dick.

Personally I couldn't care less if my favourite pizza place doubled the price of their pizza.
It's what I prefer and am willing to pay it.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by kingpin

The dude could have put one less slice of pepperoni to save the .14 cents.
It's his perogative to do what he wants but it seems pretty shifty.
He could have done this all quietly no matter what decision he made but chose to make it a media event. That's what makes him a dick.

Personally I couldn't care less if my favourite pizza place doubled the price of their pizza.
It's what I prefer and am willing to pay it.

Pizza price Double, you better get ready to double your prices too, gotta pay for that new fancy frame cutter you got there....

gotta stay ahead of the croud......

[Millenium Vette]

That's some bad press for John Schnatter and his pizza outfit. The smart thing to do would have been to go for a waiver like McDonald's got and avoid it altogether.