Prison population

[69camfrk]

I have been saying this for 30 damn years. That would have put me at 18 years of age, smarter than most of our dumb ass politicians. Prohibition doesn't work, we have made the crime, stuffed our prisons, ruined countless lives for minor infractions and victimless crimes, and the list goes on. Don't get me wrong, Holder should still be in prison for some of the things he has done that are completely against the law, but you would've thunk, that after alcohol prohibition that maybe, just freakin' maybe, we would have learned something. Well, I guess not, but hopefully late is better than never. The drug war has always been a farce and always will be. Our bad policy has created part of the mess we are currently in. And as I've said on here many times also, prisons for profit are dangerous things. I pulled this off CNN which I don't consider by any means the best source for news out there. I just hope enough people wake up before it's entirely too late.


August 17th, 2013
U.S. wakes up to its prison nightmare

By Global Public Square staff

I was struck by a piece of news recently that is good for America, shows that our politicians are learning from their mistakes, and are actually cooperating with each other – on both sides of the aisle. Sounds too good to be true?

For many years, the United States has had a growing problem in its criminal justice system. As Global Public Square has pointed out before, the United States is number one in the world when it comes to incarceration – by far. In 2009, for example, for every 100,000 citizens, 760 Americans were in prison. That was five times the rate of incarceration in Britain, eight times the rate in Germany and South Korea, and 12 times the rate in Japan.

This trend began about 40 years ago. In 1970, state prisons had a combined total of 174,000 inmates. By 2009, they had 1.4 million – an eight-fold increase. And these correctional systems cost a lot of money of course – nearly $80 billion a year, more than the GDP of Croatia or Tunisia.

Well it seems that finally, common sense is prevailing. Attorney General Eric Holder made an important speech this week admitting that our prisons are overcrowded and costly. He specifically called for a reduction in mandatory sentences for low-level drug offenders.

It's important the attorney general brought up drugs, because the numbers are startling. Federal prisons, the group Holder was referring to, account for about 14 percent of our total inmates. In these prisons, the most serious charge for nearly half of all inmates is a drug offence. Compare that with state prisons, where only 20 percent of the inmates have a drug offence as their most serious charge.

More from CNN: Shame of mandatory minimums

Now, here is what is interesting. The federal prison population has increased every single year since 1980. On the other hand, state prison populations have been declining in recent years, so much so that the overall number of inmates – state plus federal – is actually down in each of the past three years. And here is the best part: the declines encompass 28 states, red AND blue.

Part of these declines are because budgets were simply collapsing. But it could also be because of a growing acknowledgment that the war on drugs has failed. According to the pro-reform Drug Policy Alliance, the United States spends about $50 billion a year on the drug war – adding up to a trillion dollars in the last four decades – but there has been no real change in addiction rates.

Americans are not more prone to drugs or crime than citizens of other countries, so why should we put so many people in prison? Well, the good news is that the numbers are finally too large to ignore. The states are already acting. And Holder's comments will add momentum to a growing chorus for reform.

The greatest challenge in pushing these numbers further down will be the prison lobby. Believe it or not, many of our prisons are run by private companies that then lobby state legislatures massively for bigger prisons, larger budgets, and of course more prisoners. According to the non-profit Justice Policy Institute, the two largest private prison companies in America together generate revenues of $3 billion a year – paid by taxpayers, of course. These private prison companies also happen to be major donors to a number of state campaigns, lobbying for more resources.

If our politicians can take on the prison lobbies, there really is hope for America.

[MrPeabody]

A few years ago a group from the German prison system came to California to study and exchange information with our correctional system. They chose California because we have roughly the same population as Germany, so they figured there would be similarities in the two systems.

They were astonished to find that we have more correctional officers than they have convicts.

[VITE1]

Its not just private prisons that are pushing the agenda for more inmates. Public employee unions like the California Corrections officers union has been very vocal in pushing three strike and tougher prison sentences.

[69camfrk]

Originally Posted by VITE1

Its not just private prisons that are pushing the agenda for more inmates. Public employee unions like the California Corrections officers union has been very vocal in pushing three strike and tougher prison sentences.

Everything is one huge vicious cycle. Amazing that we have that many people imprisoned.

[mrvette]

I Will BET, I am the ONLY MAN ALIVE who has been inside ATTICA, WALPOLE, LORTON, and New Mexico back in the mid 80's.....with the inmates....


you can just GUESS WTF I think.....


kill all the max guys, make room for more.....


the drug problem is another story.....

MAX?? YGTBFKM.....take out back and KILL THEM NOW!!!!!!!


all else is bullshit....

[Wathen1955]

What percentage of the prison population are illegal aliens? Start getting rid of them to make room for citizens.

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by VITE1

Its not just private prisons that are pushing the agenda for more inmates. Public employee unions like the California Corrections officers union has been very vocal in pushing three strike and tougher prison sentences.

The private prisons are in it for profit, so It stands to reason that they as many people incarcerated as possible.
Three strike laws I tend to agree with, because idiots who are given two extra chances .. and continue to feck up need to be removed from society. That being said, I do not think that many people in jails/ prisons should be there though.

[Stangkiller]

How about instead of punish criminals less, why don't we make prison more of a deterrent? No AC, no TV, no Privacy, no luxuries, and of course manual labor. I'll bet we could even make money on our prison system if we leased the manual labor force out to local business to pay for their prison stay. You want to do something more than twiddle your thumbs or hard labor? Read a book. You want out on parole? you better have done something during your stay to better yourself. Sound miserable? You damn right it is, as it should be.

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by ft laud mike

The private prisons are in it for profit, so It stands to reason that they as many people incarcerated as possible.
Three strike laws I tend to agree with, because idiots who are given two extra chances .. and continue to feck up need to be removed from society. That being said, I do not think that many people in jails/ prisons should be there though.

The unions are in it for profit as well.

California’s prison guards lock up reforms | CalWatchDog

California’s prison guards lock up reforms


May 21st, 2013
By admin

May 21, 2013

By Sagar Jethani

After being threatened with contempt by a panel of federal judges for failing to sufficiently reduce the number of prisoners in California’s jails, Gov. Jerry Brown reluctantly unveiled a plan this month to further reduce the Golden State’s overcrowded prisons by another 9,000 inmates. Enthusiasm in Sacramento was in short supply.

Brown argued that court orders were forcing him to jeopardize public safety by transferring prisoners to county jails and offering some of them early release.

Prisons chief Jeffrey Beard was more direct, “The plan is ugly. We don’t like it.”

Two years ago, California’s prisons held twice the number of inmates they were designed to hold, and that led to serious problems. In 2011, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Brown v. Plata that California was violating prisoners’ Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment. The Court estimated that an inmate in California’s prisons died every six to seven days due to inadequate medical care caused by overcrowding.

Suicidal inmates were forced to stand in metal cages for 24 hours without access to restrooms. California was ordered to reduce inmate populations over two years from 150,000 to 110,000. When Brown said this January that California had done enough to satisfy the court’s requirements, he was threatened with contempt unless he continued reducing prison rolls down to the mandated target.

Three strikes

How did California’s prisons get so crowded in the first place? Golden State voters contributed to this crisis by approving some of the most stringent sentencing measures in the nation, including the 1994 Three Strikes Initiative, Proposition 184. The law mandated 25-years-to-life in prison for three-time felons, even if the third “strike” was a nonviolent crime. Strict sentencing laws enjoy bipartisan support in Sacramento. Republican legislators exult in preaching a tough-on-crime mantra — especially to the older, white demographic that tends to vote for them. And Democrats are surprisingly among the loudest voices calling for tougher sentencing laws lest they be called-out for being soft on crime.

Enter the California Correction Peace Officer’s Association, CCPOA, better known as the prison guards union.

Thanks to the mandatory dues paid by its members, the union raises about $23 million a year, and spends about $8 million of it on lobbying. According to Joan Petersilia, a longtime observer of California’s correctional institutions, CCPOA’s lobbying goal is simple, “More prisoners lead to more prisons; more prisons require more guards; more guards means more dues-paying members and fund-raising capability; and fund-raising, of course, translates into political influence.”


And what does that influence lead to? Outrageous paychecks, for one thing. The average annual salary for prison guards nationally is about $45,000. California’s prison guards, however, pocket a cool $72,400 — 60 percent above the national average. But that doesn’t even take overtime pay into account. Once that’s factored in, California prison guards often make more than $100,000 per year. California’s governors routinely push these pay increases through an obliging Legislature.

The union has been one of the leading backers of tougher sentencing laws. It spent more than $100,000 to pass the original Three Strikes law. It dropped another $1 million in 2008 to defeat Proposition 5, which would have reduced sentences for nonviolent crimes and allocated more resources to treating drug addiction.

And it spent more than $1 million in 2004 to beat Proposition 66, which would have reduced the number of crimes that carry mandatory life sentences.

Politicians

Politicians are also on the menu. CCPOA spent nearly $2 million supporting Brown’s 2010 gubernatorial campaign. The Legislature is a special beneficiary. Operating on the principle that the surest way to win a race is to bet on all the horses, as of Dec. 2012 the union had contributed campaign funds to every current state senator in California.

With all its influence and off-the-charts pay levels, you might think that California’s prison guards are among the nation’s best at what they do.

A two-volume report was issued last month by the independent Office of Inspector General detailing more than 117 cases of prison guard abuse in painstaking detail. Examples include guards planning prisoner assaults and murder, buying prisoners drugs and alcohol, groping and grappling prisoners and soliciting sex from prisoners — including juvenile prisoners.

The investigators accused the corrections department of sweeping these offenses under the rug. But with so many contributions to politicians, what’s the likelihood that any real reform will happen? Is it any wonder that between the humanitarian crisis caused by overcrowding, reduced funding for rehabilitation programs, and rank abuse by the very people entrusted to manage prisons, California’s recidivism rate is the highest in the nation — nearly double the average of all other states?

Smuggling

To show just how much power the prison guards union has in Sacramento, consider one of the topics covered in the inspector general’s report: smuggled cellphones used by prisoners to run drugs and plan new crimes. According to a legislative analysis in 2010, the main source of smuggled cellphones is — you guessed it — prison guards.

In response to demands for employee searches, the union cited a work requirement that its members be paid for any increase in “walk time” — the minutes it takes for guards to get from the front gate to their posts behind prison walls. Going through airport-style metal detectors, which require the removal of shoes, belts, and other items, easily could double that walk time, which would allow prison guards to collect an additional several million dollars of pay per year.

That’s right: prison guards would financially benefit from the inconvenience of having their illegal activities halted. Last year, 20 prison guards were fired or allowed to resign over the cellphone scandal, but neither Jerry Brown nor the Legislature openly challenged the absurdity of “walk time.”

Some will see in all this a vindication of their preconceived notions about unions. But privatization offers no easy cure, either. Consider a proposal floated last September by Correctional Corporation of America. Cash-strapped states would receive upfront payments of $250 million from CCA, which would purchase and run their prisons. In return, the states would guarantee CCA a 90 percent minimum occupancy rate in these prisons for at least 20 years.

The proposal was rightly blasted by watchdog groups, which pointed out that such a deal would create perverse incentives for lawmakers to pass California-style sentencing laws across the nation not to protect public safety, but to keep the money flowing by throwing as many people behind bars as possible.

Whether the beneficiary is a public sector union like CCPOA, or a private company like CCA, the profit motive creates dangerous incentives when combined with prisons. America imprisons more people than any other country, and California imprisons more people than any other state. Instead of coming up with new ways to tie profits to prisoners, we should be looking for ways to reduce the number of people behind bars.

Rehab

A good place to start is allocating funds away from guard salaries and new prison construction and into drug rehab programs to reduce recidivism. We should modify laws like Three Strikes, and legalize relatively harmless drugs like marijuana.

A step in the right direction was Proposition 36, which voters approved last November. It changed the law to impose a life sentence only when the third strike was “serious or violent.”

The outrageous salary increases and job protections the union has obtained should be overturned — by ballot measure, if necessary. The sanctity of contracts is all good and well, but despite this year’s balanced budget, California is still in a fiscal crisis from the pension crisis and other problems. If the people deem the continuance of such contracts to be against the state’s interest, they have the right to cancel them.

The union has learned to keep quiet in the latest round of debates, possibly because it fears becoming the target of a Scott Walker-style movement. But that doesn’t mean it has suddenly decided to pack it in. It is simply biding its time, waiting for the furor to subside before it goes back to business as usual.

(Many thanks to Tim Kowal for helping me understand some of the issues surrounding California’s broken prison system. Check out his blog to learn more.)
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What we need to do is start flogging people again for minor crimes. Like Singapore. Take them, whip them with a cane then tell them "Next time it doubles".

Watch the recidivism rate drop