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There are 312,000,000 people in the U.S.
Think about that for a second. Three hundred and twelve MILLION people. What are the chances one of them is f'd up beyond comprehension and will do evil things? I'd say the chances are pretty high. Do you think the chances of a psychopath are 1 in 312,000,000? No, the real numbers are much higher. You can not legislate behavior. You can not legislate mental deficieny. You can not legislate evil. This whiplash reaction to "ZOMG ban all teh guns for the sweet baby jesus!" is foolhardy and reactionary. Evil exists in this world and you can't stop it with laws. This is a terrible, gut wrenching, sickening, soul scarring tragedy, but no laws enacted can prevent it. It would have been carried out one way or another. People are angry and feel helpless, so they lash out at what they *think* they can control, which is firearms. The fact is, evil , if determined enough, will find a way, and that scares the shit out of everyone. |
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If BHO and the rest of the Gun control nuts REALLY cared why are they not doing something about Chicago?
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Here is some meaningful action advocated by a member of this forum. The suggestions are reactionary and would do nothing to reduce gun crime, but it illustrates the mindset of people who have no comprehension of the issues involved.
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How about we end the genocide of Black Americans by other blacks and cut our Murder rate in half.
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Vetteman Nailed It in the other thread....
Another bad governmental decision... It took that many years to get to this point, and it won't be an overnight fix... 50 years ago, we had state run psych hospitals. We sent crazy people to them. They were locked up, medicated, and kept away from society. Now days, they visit 3 different shrinks, talk about how mommy didn't hold them enough, diagnose them with some disorder that conveniently fits something that they have a pill for. They prescribe this pill, that may or may not work, may or may not have bad side effects, and send them on their way in hopes they can "lead a normal life". One day, said crazy person, decides correctly or not that either a)they are no longer sick, or b)they don't like the way the pills make them feel, and they just stop taking them. You get what you had here, Columbine, Oregon mall, and the Colorado theater. Whether diagnosed or not, these killers are crazy, and someone, somewhere had an idea about it. |
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I don't know who wrote that comment and don't care, but here is my first-pass response.
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In reality all this would do is make it extremely expensive for law-abiding gun owners. Criminals would not be inconvenienced at all. On the contrary, they would have a new way to make money, kind of like copper thieves do now. Quote:
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The CT shooter had two pistols that he used to shoot up the school. If anybody else had a CCW they could have made a big difference. But there is no way any school is going to let a law-abiding citizen have one there. |
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This would make it so incredibly dangerous for a CCW holder to actually use his weapon when it is needed most. If any T isn't crossed or I dotted, he'd be looking at a hard 20. Yeah... |
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I'm not looking for a pissing match Cybercowboy and it looks like your cued up for one. I'm just asking a few questions.
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Come to a state like the People ’s Republic of NY and you will see how good gun control works. They have many laws that ban restrict or otherwise harass HONEST gun people and do shit to bother the criminals. In fact most times the first thing plea bargained away is a illegal possession charge when dealing with criminals. To legally POSESESS a handgun in NY (that means even in your home, no hard to get paper- no handgun) you have many hoops to jump through and a lot depends on the political leaning of the sheriff or the judge that must sign a legal form for EVERY purchase of a hand gun. Getting that paper could take weeks with your paid for gun still locked up in the gun store! The well known minority it appears has more illegal guns than legal guns in this state and is constantly shooting each other or anyone that gets in the way over trivial matters. You can go to the ghetto with cash in hand and buy all sorts of illegal weapons and hi cap magazines. Only the honest people pay any attention to the laws and of course our liberal asshole democratic politicians want more gun control. That translates into more bullshit, headaches, fees to honest people and absolutely no problem to criminals More people are killed/wounded by black on black shooting in this country in a week than every mass murder in the country over a year. It’s like a airplane crash gets all the headlines, but significantly more people die in auto crashes than airplane disasters. Same with shootings. |
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Chicago outlaws almost all firearms yet they have almost 500 murders this year alone. |
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Britain, which has some of the most draconian gun laws in the world, has seen an 85% rise in gun crime during the last 10 years.
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You know what Columbine, VT campus, newtown, movie theater in aurora, etc....all had in common? They were "no firearms allowed" places. Perfect opportunity for crazies with firearms to go in and kill the clearly unarmed people inside.
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Legally you cannot poses or bring in a hand gun under any circumstances without a hard to get permit. You would need 6 months residency before you applied for a permit. Depending on what county you would need between 2 to 8 months or so to get the OK if they give it at all!. (This bullshit affects a lot of military that goes to West Point) Again depending on the county/judge even if it says carry it might have a lot of limiting restrictions. Many legal type rifles and shotguns you could bring in but be aware NY has its own AWB and magazines (handgun also) must be pre ban to be over 10 rounds. Black rifles are covered by the ban so those that have stuff like folding stocks bayonet lugs ETC are also covered by our ban. |
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