So Papa John is a Butt Hole

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

So you are perfectly fine with Papa Johns having the government subsidize his employees health care. You don't give two shits that your tax dollars pay for the medicaid and ER services his employees now have to use when they get sick.

Its ALWAYS only one side with you guys.

Of course we're not ok with the government subsidizing their health care. We're not ok with the law that's resulting in this move in the first place.

But i certainly support his legal business decision that helps his bottom line.

[Y2Kvert4me]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

We're not ok with the law that's resulting in this move in the first place.

Cause > effect.

I blame the cause, not the effect.

[SteelCityBlue]

Originally Posted by kingpin

Personally I couldn't care less if my favourite pizza place doubled the price of their pizza.
It's what I prefer and am willing to pay it.

Lock it up. I knew at sometime some rational actor would prove the theory of discretionary spending. Only a matter of time.

[Taurus]

Business people will always find a way to work around government regs, they got wealthy because they're smart too.

[78SA]

Why lock it up? Are you afraid of Will and his facts? I think some people here need to read it all before they attack the guy that makes bad pizza.

[78SA]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Instead of raising the price of his pizza 14 fuking cents, he would rather lay off employees.

John Schnatter, Papa John's CEO: Obamacare likely to raise costs, employee hours being cut

He sold 1.2 billion dollars worth of shitty pizza last year and now wants to cut his employees hours because he estimates the new health care law will cost his company between 5-8 million dollars. A number works out to about half a percent in sales.

Now before you get on your high horse about business cost and how the 14 fuking cents will put him out of business, consider this.

This asshole is already using the government to subsidise his employees health care.

Surely no one flipping pizza is able to afford health insurance on their own, so the only other option is Medicaid.

So that's right. Instead of raising the price of a pizza 14 fuking cents, this asshole would prefer to keep his employees health care cost on the US tax payers.

That is what happens when your Messiah forces a law onto the people and then fines them when they don't get the insurance. How are they supposed to afford those fines from your Messiah?

[SteelCityBlue]

Originally Posted by 78SA

Why lock it up?

Relax. It's an expression used when someone inadvertently makes your point crystal clear for you or the point has been clearly made.

It's just an expression because people will keep arguing the dumbest shit on the internet for fun.

[78SA]

http://www.jobcreatorssolutions.com/...ites_obamacare

Michigan medical technology giant Stryker Corporation announced last year that it was slicing its workforce by 5 percent and blamed ObamaCare’s medical device tax as the reason. And yet, unlike the CEO’s of Papa John’s, Applebees and others who have projected ObamaCare-related cutbacks in the restaurant industry just this week, Stryker faced no threats of boycotts nor angry accusations that the job cuts were politically motivated by disgruntled Romney voters.

There are three heirs to the Stryker fortune that was started when Homer Stryker, a surgeon from Kalamazoo, Michigan, founded the company. They are his three billionaire grandchildren: Pat Stryker, Jon Stryker and Ronda Stryker. Pat and Jon are well known to political operatives in Colorado and Michigan, respectively, as each was heavily involved in financing Left-wing political organizations aimed at truning the states from Republican Red to Democrat Blue. Ronda, the only one of the three on the board of directors at Stryker, has also been a generous political donor to Democrats.

As with the restaurant industry, Stryker was hardly alone in worrying over the impact of the tax on its business model: The Medical Device Manufacturer’s Association calls the medical device levy a “tax on innovation” and estimates that it will hammer the high tech industry to the tune of $30 billion per year. The CEOs at Stryker and Papa John’s announced the same response (staffing cutbacks) to the same challenge (harmful economic winds blowing from ObamaCare). If you are from the entrepreneurial half of America, then you don’t see a difference in these reactions. You know that the impact of bad public policy is like a law of gravity that businesses must obey to stay competitive. But if you’re from the non-entrepreneurial half of America, then you might imagine political motives instead – hence the boycott threats toward Papa John’s and Applebees.

The easy response to these facts would be to wag the hypocrisy allegation around. But since it appears that more than half of American voters now do not recognize the connection between their votes and these job losses, it isn’t enough to be smugly right in a world where others are wrong. A lot of those voters simply do not see past the fake political excuse to the real problem, and would behave differently if they could because they are not hard line Leftists.

This is everyone’s economy, and it’s still the greatest one on Earth. If those of us in entrepreneurial America mean what we say about saving it then we have some educating to do.

[vetteman9368]

I'm sure he thinks the same of you

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

I'm sure he thinks the same of you

Papa ain't never heard of Phil.

[Datawiz]

Is he not entitled to voice his dissatisfaction with the current government through his actions? I commend him for this.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by datawiz

Is he not entitled to voice his dissatisfaction with the current government through his actions? I commend him for this.

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

Pot meet kettle

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

YOU're the one praising the law that's pushed him to this point and YOU're calling HIM an asshole for not going along with the way YOU wanted him to react to the law. And HE's the asshole?

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

Typical first order thinking. Libs cram a borderline obscene law through the legislature, having to resort to back door deals to get even their own people on board, and then when people start reacting and making plans to the legislation that don't fit the LibScript those people are the assholes. GMAFB.

[Admiral Blue]

If you think he'll be the last business owner/C.E.O to make a move like this, you're crazy.

This is the tip of the iceberg.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Loco Vette

Typical first order thinking.

...pretty much every single dumb shit liberal thought and action comes back to this. They really are completely incapable of seeing anything past the first order. As coool et. al. show us here on a regular basis, it is pointless to try to go beyond the black and white, binary, lowest common denominator of any issue. Anything beyond that is a waste of time. They just don't get it.

Liberalism is nothing more than ignorant simple mindedness, en masse.


The funny part is that liberals completely miss the point that EITHER WAY, obamacare is costing the people money. It either costs more for a pizza (and every other American product) or employees losing hours. Who eats pizza the most? Millionaires? I think not. This is a direct cost to the lower and middle classes. So many companies are in the same spot. Increase prices or cut wages/jobs. No matter how you spin it; no matter which choice they make, Americans lose.

But hey... "FREE" Healthcare!

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Pot meet kettle

[Blademaker]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

YOU're the one praising the law that's pushed him to this point and YOU're calling HIM an asshole for not going along with the way YOU wanted him to react to the law. And HE's the asshole?

Because he has a business that, according to O, he didn't build
So the OP is upset because someone runs their business against the grain of what he/the gov't would do.

Originally Posted by Admiral Blue

If you think he'll be the last business owner/C.E.O to make a move like this, you're crazy.

This is the tip of the iceberg.

Nail/head.......Rest assured, many will make this same decision.
Quickly.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Sure. And his actions show he is an asshole.

Which actions?

Papa John's founder and CEO John Schnatter said the president's signature health-care reform law would increase his business costs and possibly result in employees' hours being cut.

Costs will go up. This is a pretty simple fact. Is he an ass-hole for stating the obvious?

There is the possibility that some franchises will cut back employee hours. This seems pretty obvious. Is he an ass-hole for stating this?

Schnatter . . . [told] shareholders the Affordable Care Act — commonly known as Obamacare — would result in a 10- to 14-cent increase for customers buying a pizza.

Back to the above. His costs go up, his prices go up as a result. Is he an ass-hole for stating this?

About a third of Papa John's employees are covered by the company's health insurance plan, although Schnatter said he has always wanted 100 percent of them on the plan. The rising costs of health insurance, he said, have been a deterrent.

About 1/3 of all employees are on company insurance. He allegedly wants to insure more. He cites rising costs as the main deterrent. No chit. Is he an ass-hole for stating this?

"The good news is 100 percent of the population is going to have health insurance. We're all going to pay for it," he said, estimating the new law would cost the business $5 million to $8 million annually.

Despite not being a fan, he's willing to try to look on the bright side, and assume the law will actually work as alleged (it won't). Is he an ass-hole for this? He states the estimate of what it will cost Papa Johns annually. Is he an ass-hole for disclosing this?

Schnatter said it was likely that some franchise owners would reduce employees' hours in order to avoid having to cover them.

"That's probably what's going to happen," he said. "It's common sense. That's what I call lose-lose."

Going back to the very first quote again. He restates the OBVIOUS. Some franchise owners are going to have to adjust by cutting hours. Is he an ass-hole for stating the OBVIOUS, that some franchise owners will cut hours?

Papa John's CEO isn't a member here to my knowledge, but you really need to stop calling him an ass-hole anyway. It's getting old, considering in order to do so you're (1) taking him completely out of context, and (2) on top of that, blaming the out-of-context strawman you've created for the actions of the Democratic party and the President.