Obama Long Form Certificate...

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

This ... ladies and gentlemen is your Republican Party at it's Best.

CFPRC go read the thread, Thrakzog, Pete picked it apart first, apparently this is what he does....documentation....and so did some other folks....they all geeks, go argue with THEM.....

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

This ... ladies and gentlemen is your Republican Party at it's Best.

That isn't the Republican Party. That is 1 person making a comment. When a Republican does something stupid or says something crazy you attribute it to the party as a whole. You can't look at it like that.

There are individual Democrats all over the place who are doing stupid crap every day. You don't have to look any farther than Pelosi to find that. I could write a book filled with moronic things that she has said and done. You have to look at the big picture of the parties. You can disagree with them in views all you want but picking out extremists and portraying them as snapshots of the party as a whole is not the right way of looking at it.

[Scissors]

The irony is that conservatives keep claiming that liberals don't care about facts, but throughout this whole ordeal they themselves have presented falsehood after falsehood as "fact".

Irony at its finest, in fact. (Actual "fact" not birther "fact")

[Joecooool]

Just looked at the thread over at the CF, I haven't been there in months.

I'm just shocked at the stupidity over there. The guy produces a physical document, an actual piece of paper and now these guys want to claim its a fake because of the way this actual physical piece of paper was scanned into a computer.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Have you touched, seen, felt said "actual" document?

Can you dispute any points of skepticism they've put forth?

You are smarter than this. Don't let your ideology drag you into the sewer.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

You are smarter than this. Don't let your ideology drag you into the sewer.

Sometimes I think that barring being present when he was squirted out of his mothers vag, no evidence will be enough. There's the long form. There's the short form. There's the announcements in the paper. There's the witness testimony. But because, during a translation between languages a leading question was asked, they have latched onto an answer that was driven by a logical fallacy. Sad really. IMO it speaks very, very poorly about the folks who have latched onto it. Willful ignorance may well be the worst form of ignorance.

[ChasC5]

I say ask all the questions you want, it's a free country.

But I expect the President of The United States to get back to being the President of The United States ... period.

If anyone wants to know if the Moon is made of Cheese, I say go ask someone who cares.

Time to move on or get left behind ... but either-way this train is now gone.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Have I ever once stated the PotUS is NOT a US citizen? No.

I AM saying there are legitimate questions about this .pdf document released.

Again, can you counter the layers in a .pdf argument which has been put forth?

I can show you the difference between a document I just scanned as a .pdf and the .pdf put forth by the White House.

And why that raises suspicions.

Here you go. Feel free to dismiss the explanation.

PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate - By Nathan Goulding - The Corner - National Review Online

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by TxAg

I AM saying there are legitimate questions about this .pdf document released.

No, there are not. Not by any rational people.

Stop letting your ideology drive your emotions. Its unbecoming.

[ChasC5]

This Subject was Ended Yesterday ... buy anyone who can Read.

[Broken Wind]

Birth certificate aside, to me the most convincing evidence is the newspaper birth announcement. Case closed from where I sit.

Are there remaining questions? Of course. But the issue of whether or not he was born in HI is dead.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by Broken Wind

Birth certificate aside, to me the most convincing evidence is the newspaper birth announcement. Case closed from where I sit.

Are there remaining questions? Of course. But the issue of whether or not he was born in HI is dead.

If someone doesn't think he's smart enough or his grades were not good enough, then don't Vote for him at the next election.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by TxAg

I would agree 95%.

The question I have is in regards to the .pdf document and the layers in it.

Once that question is answered to my satisfaction, I'll be 100% done.

But what is your expertise on scanned .pdf documents and graphic programs again Chas?

You can disagree 1000000000000000%, but today President Obama is still President Obama .... and tomorrow and the next and the next .....

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by TxAg

I would agree 95%.

The question I have is in regards to the .pdf document and the layers in it.

Once that question is answered to my satisfaction, I'll be 100% done.

But what is your expertise on scanned .pdf documents and graphic programs again Chas?

So then you are 100% done? Because I just posted a link that not only explains it, but details the steps if you want to reproduce it yourself.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by TxAg

I pretty much agree he was born in HI. Sure there are questions (and probably always will be to some extent based on how he has acted the past 2 years on the issue).

However, just because a birth announcement is in the newspaper what does that prove? Can't anyone get a birth announcement put in any paper they want (if they pay the fee)? I have no idea since I never did one for my kids.

What proof is required? Seriously. You have the newspaper announcements. Can't anyone do that? Of course. Heck, it happens all the time. People always pay for false birth announcements just in case their foreign born kid wants to run for President. Especially if they are black, because a black President was all the rage 40 years ago. That's sarcasm BTW. You have the short form. You have the long form. But of course it has layers. You have witness testimony.

Now, let's look at the other side. That he was foreign born. What's the evidence there? That his Grandmother said he was born in Kenya. Have you ever actually researched it though? If you did, here's what actually happened. She was being interviewed through a translator. So you have two different languages in play. The interviewer asks a leading question. What's a leading question? The classic example is "have you stopped beating your wife". If you say yes, the implication is you have beat her in the past. If you say no, the implication is you are still beating her. So he asks:

I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

to a response of:

Yes, she says yes she was present when Obama was born

To which the interviewer latches on:

When I come in December I would like to come by the place, the hospital where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

To which the reply is:

No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

At that point, it was too late. The interviewer continued to hammer on Mombasa and Kenya while the translator continued to say that it was Hawaii.

Now, if anyone has ever had any kind of conversation with someone who is not a native English (or pick your language) speaker, you've probably had the same kinds of miscommunication. Add a translator to the mix, and it gets even better. Reminds me of when Kaz Matsui, who used a translator, for the Astros went on the DL for hemorrhoid surgery, but due to the translation it was presented as surgery for anal fissures because, and I quote, that has less of a stigma than hemorrhoids. Yeah, anal fissures sound much, much better...

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by TxAg

All of that said, wouldn't you agree it would have been in the public's best interest to release his long form birth certificate years ago and have this issue put to bed then instead of letting it fester to the point it became?

Sure. That said, if it was me, I'd still be telling folks to fu ck off. But that's just me...

[The_Dude]

Funny post from the other place.
Corvette Forum - View Single Post - Does anyone have cliff notes on the 500+ post 'BC released' thread?

Obama: "I was born here."

Trump: "I've sent investigators to Hawaii."

Obama: "FORE!"

Trump: "I want to see the BC!"

Obama: "OK here it is, can we talk about stuff that matters now?"

Trump: "I rock!"

Birthers: "NOT SO FAST!! PDF!! LAYERS!!"

Obama: "WTF?? Who forgot to flatten?"

Trump: "How the f-k did this guy get into Harvard?"

You are now up to date.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Sure. That said, if it was me, I'd still be telling folks to fu ck off. But that's just me...

and I'd take it a little further to the END ...

[Mark C5]

But no matter what you will always have this

Originally Posted by mrvette

I want to know what sort of probable fraud he got on financial support to those fancy UNAFFORDABLE universities he supposedly attended....

SKOOL RECORDS......ALL of them......

untillllll then he remains still an asshole.....

Originally Posted by mrvette

The BC the White House released is a FAKE, already picked apart, and that post above about it is just the tip.....

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Mark C5

But no matter what you will always have this

Yes, and apparently both statements are true/correct....

and so keep believing....I don't....never did....