The inconvenient truth / lies of electric vehicles

[Onebadcad]

evs do not use gasoline, thus they pay ZERO gasoline taxes.

In many, such as FL, 70+% of gasoline taxes are used to pay for new roads and road maintenance.

evs weigh on average 30% more than gasoline vehicle, thus decrease road life by 30+%.

Lithium batteries cannot be placed in landfills, the cost to recycle them or to dispose properly is unknown, what is know that all taxpayers will fund this expense regardless of their car ownership preference.

The continuing tax credit will continue to be funded 100% by all taxpayers regardless of their car ownership preference.

The mining of lithium in the congo has been proven to exploit children, and in addition, abuses all labor sources.

[Rodnok1]

States are adjusting tax base, now you pay a yearly tax instead of at the pump for an EV.
They'll get there money don't worry... Doesn't help with all the out of state visitors gas money tax lost however.

Extra fire fighting equipment especially for EV fires will need to be purchased costing taxpayers along with the dangers of breathing the fumes and what it causes later on.

[Onebadcad]

Federal gasoline tax $0.19/gal
State of FL gasoline tax = $0.36/gal
Broward County gasoline tax = $0.39/gal

ev owners escape $0.94/gal tax in my county.
If they drive 12,000 miles/year, they avoid $451 annually, assuming 25mpg.
If they own an ev for seven years, they save $3,200 in gasoline taxes not paid.
Coupled with the $7,500 credit from taxpayers, they save a total of $10,700.

In order to negate this, their vehicle registration fee / tag would have to be about $1,500/year.

And this does not address the taxpayer cost to dispose of the lithium batteries.

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

They'll get there money don't worry... Doesn't help with all the out of state visitors gas money tax lost however.

If you have any illusion that electric cars will provide lower tax proceeds once the change is permanent, you are not remembering our government accurately. Whether by charging fees, or usage fees, the cost in taxes per mile will never go down regardless of the technology.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by ZipZap

If you have any illusion that electric cars will provide lower tax proceeds once the change is permanent, you are not remembering our government accurately. Whether by charging fees, or usage fees, the cost in taxes per mile will never go down regardless of the technology.

I agree , the problem will be that due to the gov having to raise taxes to offset the purchase of more eve, gasoline drivers will pay an even greater portion than they are already paying today.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

evs do not use gasoline, thus they pay ZERO gasoline taxes.

Right. Instead we pay several hundred dollars every year when we register the car in lieu of the gasoline tax. IOW, unless they drive 30,000 miles per year, EV drivers end up paying more in "gasoline" taxes than actual ICE vehicle drivers.

You're Welcome.

[Unsuspicious]

It's $175 for me, and tax is about 32 cents per gallon. That's about 550 gallons worth of tax.
In an average car getting 25mpg, that's 13750 miles for break even point.
Stats say people drive an average of 13500 miles per year, so it's close in terms of aggregate.
But I drive much less than that so it stinks for me. Well, other than paying about $1 in electricity per 30 miles range, which is pretty nice.

[Cool 50th AE]

I’m going back to a horseless carriage that uses horses.
That’ll show’em.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

evs ... pay ZERO gasoline taxes.

evs weigh on average 30% more than gasoline vehicle, thus decrease road life by 30+%.

tonight on CNN:

car forum member suspected of being...

*racist
*bigoted
*sexist
*homophobic
*transphobic

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Cool 50th AE

I’m going back to a horseless carriage that uses horses.
That’ll show’em.

I’d rather live in the world of horses and horse drawn carriages than where we are headed.

[dvarapala]

I've said this before but it bears repeating:

The only completely fair way to pay for road repairs is to charge each and every vehicle by the actual miles driven * the weight of that vehicle (as road damage occurs exponentially as vehicle weight increases).

And don't think it won't happen. Already every new vehicle (EV and ICE alike) comes equipped with a cellular data telematics box from the factory, disguised as convenience features like Remote Start and Remote Door Lock. If Federal and State governments ever decides to enact a mileage-based tax to replace the gasoline tax they will have all the data they need (and then some). And there'll be no escaping it unless you drive a 1966 GTO.

[Cool 50th AE]

Originally Posted by LATB

I’d rather live in the world of horses and horse drawn carriages than where we are headed.

The sad thing is that there is only a few families calling the shots for the world’s population.
Normal people need to finally rise up and demand real representation.

[Rikki Z-06]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

I've said this before but it bears repeating:

The only completely fair way to pay for road repairs is to charge each and every vehicle by the actual miles driven * the weight of that vehicle (as road damage occurs exponentially as vehicle weight increases).

And don't think it won't happen. Already every new vehicle (EV and ICE alike) comes equipped with a cellular data telematics box from the factory, disguised as convenience features like Remote Start and Remote Door Lock. If Federal and State governments ever decides to enact a mileage-based tax to replace the gasoline tax they will have all the data they need (and then some). And there'll be no escaping it unless you drive a 1966 GTO.

I would rather drive a 66 GTO.

[Cool 50th AE]

Few months ago the turnpike charged me $15.00 instead of $3.00
The little booth employee said my F250 is considered a commercial truck.

What did my taxes already pay for?

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Right. Instead we pay several hundred dollars every year when we register the car in lieu of the gasoline tax. IOW, unless they drive 30,000 miles per year, EV drivers end up paying more in "gasoline" taxes than actual ICE vehicle drivers.

You're Welcome.

Not in FL

Appears levying higher taxes on ev registration has not caught on yet:

https://www.newsobserver.com/money/s...alysis%20found.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

I've said this before but it bears repeating:

The only completely fair way to pay for road repairs is to charge each and every vehicle by the actual miles driven * the weight of that vehicle (as road damage occurs exponentially as vehicle weight increases).

And don't think it won't happen. Already every new vehicle (EV and ICE alike) comes equipped with a cellular data telematics box from the factory, disguised as convenience features like Remote Start and Remote Door Lock. If Federal and State governments ever decides to enact a mileage-based tax to replace the gasoline tax they will have all the data they need (and then some). And there'll be no escaping it unless you drive a 1966 GTO.

So, no recapture of avoided gasoline taxes from ev owners??

I am entitled to a discount, as my average mph is MUCH higher than most, thus I am almost weightless on the roads.

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by Rikki Z-06

I would rather drive a 66 GTO.

I drive my '67 GTO all over the place. 21 mpg at 80 mph with the 2.56 gears I installed out back. This car has been my transportation for the past 40 years. I have a total of about $4200 invested in it, including purchase price. This pic was taken in AZ on a road trip this summer. **** EV's.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

Not in FL

Appears levying higher taxes on ev registration has not caught on yet:

https://www.newsobserver.com/money/s...alysis%20found.

I'll offset that by switching my 100% VA disabled tag to the EV. Right now it's on my truck and I pay $4.00/yr in registration fees. Yes... you read that right. $4.00

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Right. Instead we pay several hundred dollars every year when we register the car in lieu of the gasoline tax. IOW, unless they drive 30,000 miles per year, EV drivers end up paying more in "gasoline" taxes than actual ICE vehicle drivers.

You're Welcome.

Maybe that's true in Socialist California, but not in most states.

You're welcome.

[bill_daniels]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

I'll offset that by switching my 100% VA disabled tag to the EV. Right now it's on my truck and I pay $4.00/yr in registration fees. Yes... you read that right. $4.00

Texas gives out DV plates to vets with even a minor partial rating....the plates are free, and the plates are your ticket to free rides on all Texas toll roads. Pretty sweet deal. And you can get a DV tag for every car you own. So your [future] wife and kids....as long as their cars are in your name, they ride the tollways for free. They can also park in handicapped spots, although I rarely see that. I'd like to think that our veterans are honorable enough to not take them unless they actually need them.