Oh, come on....we've all driven on may-pops before.....just not when flying

[Bill]

[KenHorse]

Ain't DEI great?

[Aerovette]

Does anyone recall China getting in to the passenger plane industry?

Does anyone think this could be sabotage?

[slewfoot]

No, Just a lousy unionized entitled workforce who's careers are all about money than quality

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

No, Just a lousy unionized entitled workforce who's careers are all about money than quality

^^^ This has been around forever. Why is it increasing incidents now?

[jw38]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

No, Just a lousy unionized entitled workforce who's careers are all about money than quality

But the media will go balls to the wall with blaming Boeing.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

No, Just a lousy unionized entitled workforce who's careers are all about money than quality

I'm curious how you're so quick to throw unions, the most stalwart of Dem groups, under the bus? Those are your own voters, along with blacks, criminals, trannies and other alphabet people, etc.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I'm curious how you're so quick to throw unions, the most stalwart of Dem groups, under the bus? Those are your own voters, along with blacks, criminals, trannies and other alphabet people, etc.

Some unions support Trump. I'm sure that helps.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Some unions support Trump. I'm sure that helps.

Only the Border Patrol and some police unions.

[BayouCountry]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Ain't DEI great?

Makes me “feel” good that the first qualification for a job that affects my safety is race and gender. Kinda like the open border makes me “feel” good as gangs flow over the border. I think I’ll go back to voting democrat so I “feel” good instead of safe. Criminals won’t hurt me because I support them!

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Only the Border Patrol and some police unions.

Fire

[CurtP]

With major maintenance being done in places like China and Mexico in non-FAA certified facilities with crap parts for 2 decades, I'm surprised it's taken this long to rear it's ugly head. I got shit about it when I posted at the other site in 2017, claiming it wasn't happening at AA or Delta, but it is. Civilian aircraft maintenance is shit across the board regardless of carrier, and I'll only fly if there's no other choice. Articles are from when this was all starting to get uncovered, and many of the other ones I had are now gone. It's like they don't want us to know.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015...sturbing-truth

https://www.aviationpros.com/home/ne...other-airlines

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...ican-airlines/

http://avstop.com/september_2012/ame...e_to_china.htm

https://www.npr.org/2009/10/19/11387...repairs-abroad

http://amfa32.com/Legislative/CRS%20...aintenance.pdf

[Bill]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/17/u...this-time.html

[Chemtrails99]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Does anyone recall China getting in to the passenger plane industry?

Does anyone think this could be sabotage?

Blowing a tire is a huge non-event. If it eas such a tragic emergency, then why did they flew from Texas to California before landing?

Yes, China is getting into the airliner game. They went public with their first planes about five years ago. You know, just before you started yo hear endless stories about how bad competitors planes were. All the stupid " An Airbus ran into another PARKED PLANE!!!" sort of BS. Boeing is in their gunsites for refusing to sell out to them. Instead, they're using their paid for government clout to insist on DEI to destroy them from the inside.

[KenHorse]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Some unions support Trump. I'm sure that helps.

I suspect MANY union MEMBERS support Trump. But as we all know, MANY unions are run by Marxist Commucrats themselves and are little more than money laundering operations

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Chemtrails99

Blowing a tire is a huge non-event. If it eas such a tragic emergency, then why did they flew from Texas to California before landing?

Yes, China is getting into the airliner game. They went public with their first planes about five years ago. You know, just before you started yo hear endless stories about how bad competitors planes were. All the stupid " An Airbus ran into another PARKED PLANE!!!" sort of BS. Boeing is in their gunsites for refusing to sell out to them. Instead, they're using their paid for government clout to insist on DEI to destroy them from the inside.

The tire's already blown, so why would they NOT fly to their destination? They have to land somewhere, and I suspect planes are designed to land with one or more flat tires.

[lrobe22]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

The tire's already blown, so why would they NOT fly to their destination? They have to land somewhere, and I suspect planes are designed to land with one or more flat tires.

Op Specs and Ops Manual requirements. Professional aviation, especially in the 121 world, is not driving your granny's turd brown metallic with piss yellow stripes and 87 decals C8 around to car meets to setup a lawn chair and talk about magazine 0-60 times. Generally speaking if redundancies are lost, capability is considerably reduced, etc. the flight is required to Land as Soon as Possible. You don't just keep going just because. If your family was on board, would you want the flight to divert and perform the safest action or just YOLO and risk additional issues?

Blown tires could easily result in a loss or reduction in directional control upon landing especially if the runway is contaminated.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by lrobe22

Op Specs and Ops Manual requirements. Professional aviation, especially in the 121 world, is not driving your granny's turd brown metallic with piss yellow stripes and 87 decals C8 around to car meets to setup a lawn chair and talk about magazine 0-60 times. Generally speaking if redundancies are lost, capability is considerably reduced, etc. the flight is required to Land as Soon as Possible. You don't just keep going just because. If your family was on board, would you want the flight to divert and perform the safest action or just YOLO and risk additional issues?

Blown tires could easily result in a loss or reduction in directional control upon landing especially if the runway is contaminated.

This I don't understand. It's the exact same risk no matter what airport you land at. Why divert and land somewhere else, fix the tire, then fly to the destination? That makes no sense. The landing gear is retracted, whether you fly another 10 miles or 1,000 miles, the danger is the same.....it's a danger when the plane touches down.

It's like the stories of an unruly passenger onboard so the pilot diverts. Let's say I had some unruly person, but the passengers and crew detained that person and duct taped him to the seat, so the emergency is over. Why divert? Just fly on to where everyone needs to go and let the cops there deal with it.

Obviously some kind of medical issue on board would require landing as soon as possible. The blown tire? It's already blown, it's not going to be any more dangerous to fly to the destination vs. stop at the first available airport.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

This I don't understand. It's the exact same risk no matter what airport you land at. Why divert and land somewhere else, fix the tire, then fly to the destination? That makes no sense. The landing gear is retracted, whether you fly another 10 miles or 1,000 miles, the danger is the same.....it's a danger when the plane touches down.

It's like the stories of an unruly passenger onboard so the pilot diverts. Let's say I had some unruly person, but the passengers and crew detained that person and duct taped him to the seat, so the emergency is over. Why divert? Just fly on to where everyone needs to go and let the cops there deal with it.

Obviously some kind of medical issue on board would require landing as soon as possible. The blown tire? It's already blown, it's not going to be any more dangerous to fly to the destination vs. stop at the first available airport.

If an alternate airport has better emergency equipment, would you feel the same ?

[lrobe22]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

This I don't understand. It's the exact same risk no matter what airport you land at. Why divert and land somewhere else, fix the tire, then fly to the destination? That makes no sense. The landing gear is retracted, whether you fly another 10 miles or 1,000 miles, the danger is the same.....it's a danger when the plane touches down.

It's like the stories of an unruly passenger onboard so the pilot diverts. Let's say I had some unruly person, but the passengers and crew detained that person and duct taped him to the seat, so the emergency is over. Why divert? Just fly on to where everyone needs to go and let the cops there deal with it.

Obviously some kind of medical issue on board would require landing as soon as possible. The blown tire? It's already blown, it's not going to be any more dangerous to fly to the destination vs. stop at the first available airport.

Strongly disagree. Let's say
airport 1 has an LDA of 13,000+ x 150, grooved, RCC 6/6/6, no crosswind, >1000/3 or even 5000/5, better safety equipment
airport 2 has 8,000 x 150, not grooved, has RCC 3/3/3, strong crosswind, is at CAT II or III conditions

They are absolutely not the same WRT safety margin.

Second, the company isn't going to repair the aircraft and board pax on the same original aircraft. That takes time... lots of time to prep for the job, jack up the aircraft, change tires, maintenance release for ops check flight, conduct ops check flight, and return to service. They're going to put pax on the first available after they land at the diversion airport.

Frankly you're thinking about this as a passenger that just wants to get to their destination on time. You're not thinking as the entity responsible for everyone on board, making sure they reach their destination SAFELY. No worries, I've dealt with this many times where passengers complain that we perform a precautionary landing rather than risk their life.

There are procedures for passenger threat escalation also. The decision to divert depends on the risk level. What you see as some a hole duct-taped to the seat could easily be some dirtbag democrat that tried to severely injure or kill someone else on board, a democrat terrorist, etc.

If you don't understand why directional control is important on an airliner, I understand why but cannot relate. Aircraft control is the most fundamental element of aviation. Just think about touching down at 160 knots with 200,000 lbs of Jet A, 350 souls on board, and the thing is going to veer off the runway or you may not much margin for landing distance required even with all tires.