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It's really good, isn't it? I wish I could get more people to read it. The part about confirmation bias is so right-on that it's painful. For instance, in nearly every one of these threads somebody says something along the lines of "Well, we should be against pollution! I don't want dirty air."
Because they think pollution is bad, they then accept anything pro-MMGW because they perceive it as being confirmation of their belief system. They never even bother to consider that MMGW is about, primarily, CO2 and not pollution. CO2 isn't pollution, it is plant food. And they don't realize that all this money and effort that goes into things like Carbon Credits, expensive "green technology", and so forth could actually be used instead to actually address actual pollution. I'm not immune to confirmation bias, nobody is. It's just that, at a very early point in this MMGW thing, I identified it as pseudoscience. Nothing I've seen since has changed that belief. These "experts" have been wrong about every single catastrophic prediction they've made. There are trillions of dollars at stake. One can always sniff out pseudoscience when the said "cure" is the redistribution of wealth from rich nations to poor nations and the lowering of the standards of living for everyone. That has been the "progressive" agenda for a very long time. It's not a coincidence. When it comes to pollution, rich nations are much cleaner than poor nations. So the solution, it would seem, would be to make poor nations rich too. But they aren't for that, not at all, because to the progressives rich nations are too affluent, to uppity. Way too much economic and personal freedom there. Way too much of that icky capitalism. |
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Filtering our industrial waste water prior to it being discharged would boost businesses that fabricate water treatment technologies again creating more jobs. There is no such thing as clean coal and as much as the coal industry likes to push this idea, there isn't a single coal power plant in the world that anyone could look at and consider "clean". In China, climate change is not an ideological issue. It’s accepted as reality. They have moved on from the discussion to implementation. China views this as a growth sector, and they want to lead this sector http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/bu...t/09clean.html Regarding my comment on the solar cells - China Leads the World in Solar Cell Exports - The China research portal at iSuppli provides the latest events & updates in China automotive industry. Our expert analysis keeps you updated with the recent manufacturing news. To know more call us at 1. |
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Greenhouse warming is one thing and a topic which, obviously can be highly debated, but can anyone truly accept the pollution of their environment by other humans?
Can you imagine what cities would be like if vehicles had no emission controls and still used leaded fuel? Anyone been to LA in the late 60's? I can remember as a boy pictures of Pittsburgh blanketed in a deadly smog from the steel mills or Lake Erie so polluted that there where no fish. We can not close our eyes and allow that time to return. I think that's the point the OP was endeavoring to make. |
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This is typical bullshit, ignorant liberal math at it's finest. Yes. You would create thousands of jobs with those programs. Of course you forget to mention that there are currently ~90,000 Americans employed in the coal industry that you would be putting out on their asses. Only a liberal could feed $1,000 into a slot machine, get a $20 payout and call it a win. Quote:
Child/forced labor, employees working 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, ZERO safety standards, a full month's pay taken as a disciplinary action for being late, rolling power outages, zero sanitation, etc, etc, etc. I could write lists of things that would fill this page. Please... go to China and take a look at the companies you are praising rather than getting your information from some bullshit anti-American liberal editorial like you always do. If you really think that we should strive to be more like China, you are completely clueless. |
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From YOUR link - Clean coal and the environment See also: Environmental effects of coal According to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the burning of coal, a fossil fuel, is a significant contributor to global warming. (See the UN IPCC Fourth Assessment Report). As 25.5% of the world's electrical generation in 2004 was from coal-fired generation (see World energy resources and consumption), reaching the carbon dioxide reduction targets of the Kyoto Protocol will require modifications to how coal is utilized.[12] Sequestration technology has yet to be tested on a large scale and may not be safe or successful. Sequestered CO2 may eventually leak up through the ground, may lead to unexpected geological instability or may cause contamination of aquifers used for drinking water supplies.[13] There are also concerns that plans to pump some of the sequestered CO2 into certain oil and gas reserves, to help make the fuels easier to pump out of the ground, will lead to increased concentrations of CO2 in potential fuel supplies. This would have to be removed or released during the refining process.[14] Technologies related to reducing the environmental impact of extracting energy from coal do not address environmental impacts of coal mining. Examples of environmental impacts of coal mining include the Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill. I'd say that pretty much backs up my claim that there is no such thing as "clean coal". |
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I may differ in my opinion of China and their trustworthiness when it comes to environmental matters, but I can agree that coal is dirty. I don't think it is realistic or necessary to shut down every coal plant out there, but I have kept a boat at a marina next to a coal plant so I know they can be messy. Even when the plant has modern pollution controls you still have to deal with the coal dust. I can agree with you on nuclear power. I am no expert, but I understand the world has come a long ways since the days of Three Mile Island. The question I have is how do we overcome the anti-nuclear movement that will impede every attempt to build a new plant? Wind power looks like it might work, but how many windmills do we need to erect to power our cities and what do we do when the wind doesn't blow? Don't they also kill a lot of birds with those huge blades? That has to piss the bird watchers off to no end. Solar power is interesting, but how much power can it supply and what do we do when the sun isn't shining? What about natural gas plants? They seem to be cleaner than coal, but I heard that we would run out of natural gas in the next 35 years. Oh, wait, never mind. I now remember where I saw that statement. It was from some energy shortage expert who was a guest on the Mike Douglas show back in the 1970's when President Nixon was still in office..... |
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