Presidential Candidate

[Craig]

This could have easily been avoided...

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Waco

Johnson...might actually be okay.

he is IMO; and if he had gotten the endorsement from one of the main parties; then he'd have a fighting chance.

Very rare circumstances in our history where a 3rd party has a chance in a national election. Our current era is not one of them.

Perot was well liked; and in 1992 he was included in most of the televised debates.

I thought John Anderson would of done well; but he was shut-out early in the game (1980)... never had a chance.

[Hoog]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

Past facts paint this picture very clearly.

No, it doesn't.

There has been much analysis of Perot's influence of the electoral college results.....you know, how we elect presidents. Even the most generous dispensing of Perot's vote total to Bush only changed 4 states, and that wouldn't have changed the end results.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

he is IMO; and if he had gotten the endorsement from one of the main parties; then he'd have a fighting chance.

Very rare circumstances in our history where a 3rd party has a chance in a national election. Our current era is not one of them.

Perot was well liked; and in 1992 he was included in most of the televised debates.

I thought John Anderson would of done well; but he was shut-out early in the game (1980)... never had a chance.

I'm hoping that, given the unpopularity of both candidates this round, the Libertarians make a decent showing, and generate some interest for the next time.

I'm not worried that my vote is going to make a difference. The electoral college favors the Dems these days; and since the Pubs didn't put up a candidate that is substantially liked any more than Billary, it's going to go her way; it would have been different with a better candidate...

[Admiral Blue]

Originally Posted by Waco

I'd vote for Hillary over Trump...and that's coming from someone who thinks she's an untrustworthy criminal who doesn't have the best interests of the country in sight.

I know quite a few people with similar outlooks. Hillary is bad, Trump is worse, and Johnson...might actually be okay.

You should know/hang out with different people.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Craig

I'm hoping that, given the unpopularity of both candidates this round, the Libertarians make a decent showing, and generate some interest for the next time.

Bob Barr, who I initially liked, couldn't help but stumble in front of a camera. I think he unintentionally damaged the Libertarian party in general.

I worry that there won't be a next time. These 21st century democrats will try their best to forbid you from voting the next time; their reasons will be because you are either one of these:

* racist
* bigoted
* sexist
* homophobic
* Islamaphobic
* Transgender phobic
* ManMade global warming denying
* wage earning...

threat to society.


'nother historical modern-era fact; incumbents are difficult to stop from getting a second term.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Admiral Blue

You should know/hang out with different people.

[m and t's77]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

I worry that there won't be a next time. These 21st century democrats will try their best to forbid you from voting the next time; their reasons will be because you are either one of these:

* racist
* bigoted
* sexist
* homophobic
* Islamaphobic
* Transgender phobic
* ManMade global warming denying
* wage earning...

threat to society/gun owner


'nother historical modern-era fact; incumbents are difficult to stop from getting a second term.

Fixt.

[Mike Mercury]

very few things about Europe enthuse me, but their political party makeup is interesting. They seem to have 8-10 political parties... all going strong... all at the same time.

No single party could come close to winning an election by themselves; so they must make alliances with 2-3 other parties to affect a win. This keeps a single party from getting so narrow-minded/single-platform.

I think our Reform and Libertarian parties should try to gain favor with other parties.. Oh, I don't mean "merge" (because that ends up being a surrender); but form an alliance with one of the larger parties... if certain guarentees are given. Only then would they withdraw their candidate.. and tell their loyalists to vote for "xxx" because it's best for them in the long run.

And 4 years later, the alliance process starts all over again.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

I worry that there won't be a next time. These 21st century democrats will try their best to forbid you from voting the next time....

'nother historical modern-era fact; incumbents are difficult to stop from getting a second term.

I'm not that dooms-day. There is enough separation of power to prevent that.

I also don't believe Billary will serve a second term. Two terms is usually the limit that the country can stand one party in the Whitehouse. Unless she does something really remarkably positive (and I don't believe it's in her). As long as the Pubs don't do something stupid (...again), she'll likely be defeated; historically, the odds are not in her favor.

Here's the deal though, I've been pretty prosperous despite of what these bone-heads, on both sides, have done, or not done...I'm going to keep doing what I know to do, and I figure I'll continue to be okay.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Craig

I've been pretty prosperous despite of what these bone-heads, on both sides, have done, or not done...I'm going to keep doing what I know to do, and I figure I'll continue to be okay.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Drew M

I'm going to break your rule.


Is it Iceland where they put their bankers in jail, increased spending on schools, medicine, and other community projects? The prisons are built for rehabilitation and have low rates of recidivism. Now they have a good economy and happier people. I'd say whoever was in charge of that.

They have a homogeneous ethnic population of less than the city of Tulsa. I'm sure you can find many examples of places with just the right amount of X that you'd like, right here in the USA, because we have states with some remaining autonomy. In your case you want a socialist paradise. Venezuela was the latest experiment on that, but there's always hope.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

They have a homogeneous ethnic population of less than the city of Tulsa. I'm sure you can find many examples of places with just the right amount of X that you'd like, right here in the USA, because we have states with some remaining autonomy. In your case you want a socialist paradise. Venezuela was the latest experiment on that, but there's always hope.

[78SA]

I wouldn't trust any poll by a national news media outlet. Why is it Trump keeps getting huge crowds and Hillary gets so few people she cancels hers?

[78SA]

Originally Posted by Waco

I hope you're not under the impression that Trump isn't a risk...

Yes he is but he is much less of one than Hitlery. Congressional republicans won't just go along with Trump but Congressional Democrats will back everything Hitlery wants.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Iron Chef

That's it. I've had enough. I'm writing in Rutherford B. Hayes.

Coincidentally, Rutherford B. Hayes is voting for Hillary this go-round.....absentee ballot, of course.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by SteelCityBlue

Clone Nixon. He'll out shaft the Clintons.

[GEODON]

if I had a choice to elect a leader for the sheep Id pick jesse ventura

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by GEODON

if I had a choice to elect a leader for the sheep Id pick jesse ventura

there's another one I initially liked; but then he kinda went whacko (no offense Waco)...

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Drew M

Oh of course. There's no comparison to be made, but specifically of the issue with the banks; they threw their bankers in jail. We gave them bailouts and bonuses. It says a lot about our country.

It was a hypothetical question. Note I also suggested we elect a grumpy television show presenter.

That along with many other situations leading up to today says our country is in significant trouble.